From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Nic Ferrier <nferrier@ferrier.me.uk>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:13:26 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <f33cb304-ebcf-4b50-892e-310938bf1333@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvr4ekj0n0.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
> > * `import': Importing a symbol into a package. Importing makes the
> > symbol *present*, not just *accessible* in the importing package.
> > If a different symbol with the same name is already accessible in the
> > importing package then a user-correctable error is raised: `import'
> > avoids letting one symbol shadow another.
>
> Sounds like CL's approach requires symbols to be present in several
> packages, which might require more changes than I'd like in the way
> obarrays and symbols work.
>
> AFAIK in Mathematica, the list of obarrays to search is just part of the
> current reader state, not a property of obarrays, whereas it seems that
> in CL the list of obarrays to search is stored in obarrays as a list of
> "parent" obarrays (so the list of obarrays to search is changed when we
> change the current obarray, whereas in Mathematica the two are unrelated).
>
> I get the impression that Mathematica's design might be fairly easy to
> reproduce with the current Emacs code, whereas CL's design would
> probably require more changes.
Please do not judge only by my paraphase. Please check CLTL2 yourself
before deciding. A lot of thought - and years of practice - went into
the definition of the CL package system. Wrt the consistency rules,
for example, CLTL says this:
"Package-related bugs can be very subtle and confusing: things are not
what they appear to be. The Common Lisp package system is designed
with a number of safety features to prevent most of the common bugs
that would otherwise occur in normal use. This may seem over-protective,
but experience with earlier package systems has shown that such safety
features are needed."
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-07-27 1:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-07-26 14:08 adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?) Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 14:34 ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 17:01 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-26 17:01 ` CommonLisp namespace system (was Re: adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?)) Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 17:19 ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 18:26 ` Sebastian Wiesner
2013-07-26 18:53 ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 21:08 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-26 18:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-26 18:32 ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 18:45 ` Tom Tromey
2013-07-26 18:58 ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 19:06 ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 20:46 ` CommonLisp namespace system Lars Brinkhoff
2013-07-26 20:57 ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 21:47 ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-29 17:31 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2013-07-26 20:57 ` CommonLisp namespace system (was Re: adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?)) Drew Adams
2013-07-27 7:17 ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-27 8:13 ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-27 11:43 ` Bastien
2013-07-27 12:00 ` David Engster
2013-07-27 16:56 ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-27 23:52 ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-28 7:22 ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-28 8:18 ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-28 12:10 ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-28 13:48 ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-29 10:12 ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-29 10:45 ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-30 0:31 ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-27 9:37 ` CommonLisp namespace system Lars Brinkhoff
2013-07-26 19:42 ` CommonLisp namespace system (was Re: adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?)) Drew Adams
2013-07-26 21:26 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-26 21:06 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-26 21:44 ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-27 7:16 ` adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?) Richard Stallman
2013-07-26 15:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-26 16:56 ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 18:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-26 19:00 ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 20:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-26 21:43 ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 21:59 ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 22:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-26 22:33 ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-27 0:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-27 8:27 ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-27 14:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-27 16:17 ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-27 17:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-27 10:35 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-26 22:00 ` Drew Adams
2013-07-27 0:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-27 1:13 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2013-07-27 7:02 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2013-07-27 10:33 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-31 6:48 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2013-07-27 10:31 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-27 14:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-27 16:43 ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 17:21 ` Davis Herring
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