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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Nic Ferrier <nferrier@ferrier.me.uk>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:13:26 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f33cb304-ebcf-4b50-892e-310938bf1333@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvr4ekj0n0.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

> > * `import': Importing a symbol into a package.  Importing makes the
> > symbol *present*, not just *accessible* in the importing package.
> > If a different symbol with the same name is already accessible in the
> > importing package then a user-correctable error is raised: `import'
> > avoids letting one symbol shadow another.
> 
> Sounds like CL's approach requires symbols to be present in several
> packages, which might require more changes than I'd like in the way
> obarrays and symbols work.
> 
> AFAIK in Mathematica, the list of obarrays to search is just part of the
> current reader state, not a property of obarrays, whereas it seems that
> in CL the list of obarrays to search is stored in obarrays as a list of
> "parent" obarrays (so the list of obarrays to search is changed when we
> change the current obarray, whereas in Mathematica the two are unrelated).
> 
> I get the impression that Mathematica's design might be fairly easy to
> reproduce with the current Emacs code, whereas CL's design would
> probably require more changes.

Please do not judge only by my paraphase.  Please check CLTL2 yourself
before deciding.  A lot of thought - and years of practice - went into
the definition of the CL package system.  Wrt the consistency rules,
for example, CLTL says this:

"Package-related bugs can be very subtle and confusing: things are not
 what they appear to be.  The Common Lisp package system is designed
 with a number of safety features to prevent most of the common bugs
 that would otherwise occur in normal use.  This may seem over-protective,
 but experience with earlier package systems has shown that such safety
 features are needed."



  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-27  1:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-26 14:08 adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?) Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 14:34 ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 17:01   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-26 17:01   ` CommonLisp namespace system (was Re: adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?)) Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 17:19     ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 18:26       ` Sebastian Wiesner
2013-07-26 18:53         ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 21:08         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-26 18:23     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-26 18:32       ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 18:45     ` Tom Tromey
2013-07-26 18:58       ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 19:06         ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 20:46           ` CommonLisp namespace system Lars Brinkhoff
2013-07-26 20:57             ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 21:47               ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-29 17:31                 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2013-07-26 20:57           ` CommonLisp namespace system (was Re: adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?)) Drew Adams
2013-07-27  7:17           ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-27  8:13             ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-27 11:43               ` Bastien
2013-07-27 12:00                 ` David Engster
2013-07-27 16:56                   ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-27 23:52               ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-28  7:22                 ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-28  8:18                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-28 12:10                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-28 13:48                     ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-29 10:12                       ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-29 10:45                         ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-30  0:31                           ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-27  9:37             ` CommonLisp namespace system Lars Brinkhoff
2013-07-26 19:42         ` CommonLisp namespace system (was Re: adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?)) Drew Adams
2013-07-26 21:26       ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-26 21:06     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-26 21:44       ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-27  7:16   ` adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?) Richard Stallman
2013-07-26 15:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-26 16:56   ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 18:18     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-26 19:00       ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 20:59         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-26 21:43           ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 21:59             ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 22:21             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-26 22:33               ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-27  0:51                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-27  8:27                   ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-27 14:12                     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-27 16:17                       ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-27 17:28                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-27 10:35                   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-26 22:00           ` Drew Adams
2013-07-27  0:49             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-27  1:13               ` Drew Adams [this message]
2013-07-27  7:02               ` Lars Brinkhoff
2013-07-27 10:33                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-31  6:48                   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2013-07-27 10:31               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-27 14:14                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-27 16:43                   ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 17:21   ` Davis Herring

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