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From: Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net>
To: Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com>,
	Daniel Radetsky <dradetsky@gmail.com>
Cc: acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: My resignation from Emacs development
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2024 20:18:17 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f1c25474-4ef2-492f-bafa-d17dc7325f08@alphapapa.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <trinity-ab660a19-f454-4a88-8677-1c87b095efef-1732650718346@3c-app-mailcom-bs09>

Christopher,

On 11/26/24 13:51, Christopher Dimech wrote:
> In the matter of blaming maintainers for decisions - whether directly or
> indirectly - the question of whether maintainers should be allowed to
> break their own rules is critical.  A compelling case exists that they
> should.  Strict adherence to lengthy review periods or
> consensus-building processes is often impractical, especially in
> situations where only maintainers possess the necessary expertise to
> advance the program.
> 
> Maintainers breaking their own rules represents a pragmatic approach,
> prioritizing progress and functionality over rigid adherence to dogmatic
> processes. This flexibility ensures that the project continues to evolve
> and adapt to its challenges.

You seem to imply that some kind of rule-breaking has happened.  I don't 
think this is so--unless the rule were "No one may make any change 
unless everyone agrees to it."  The technical matters in question have 
been thoroughly discussed.  A change was made.  The maintainers support 
it (in absence of a better solution, which they have not found).  One 
contributor refuses to tolerate it--regrettable, but solely his decision 
to make.  There's little else--factually--to say.

> That said, while maintainers must retain the ability to make such 
> decisions - even if they sometimes result in dissent or the
> departure of contributors - there is a clear responsibility to avoid
> fostering a culture of arbitrary rule-breaking.  Transparency,
> accountability, and judicious use of this authority are essential to
> maintain the integrity of the program, especially in a collaborative
> environment heavily reliant on contributor involvement.
You seem to imply some kind of secrecy is involved.  Everything I see 
indicates the opposite: lengthy, public discussions, long-considered but 
finally needed decisions, and further lengthy, public discussions (with 
unfairly implied chastisement of the maintainers for implied secrecy). 
One could hardly find a more transparently run project.

You even mention integrity, as if to suggest that the maintainers' is in 
question.  Please be careful that your words don't imply criticism where 
none is deserved.

--Adam



  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-27  2:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-20 15:13 My resignation from Emacs development Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-20 15:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-20 16:23 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-21  6:22   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-11-21 10:05     ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-21 11:23       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-11-21 11:40         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 10:29   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-21 12:26     ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-20 16:42 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-20 17:04 ` tomas
2024-11-20 21:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-21  2:28 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-21 12:34   ` Tree-sitter maturity (was: My resignation from Emacs development) Peter Oliver
2024-11-23 13:41     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-24  2:10     ` Tree-sitter maturity Björn Bidar
2024-11-21 13:01   ` My resignation from Emacs development Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-21 13:48     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 14:29       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-22  0:01         ` Po Lu
2024-11-22  7:03           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22  8:14             ` Robert Pluim
2024-11-22  8:32               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22 23:59               ` Po Lu
2024-11-23  6:39                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 16:29       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-22  5:35     ` Adam Porter
2024-11-22  7:24       ` Madhu
2024-11-22  8:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22  9:26           ` Madhu
2024-11-22 12:07             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22 12:40           ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-22 13:06           ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-22 13:39             ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-22 14:25             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-25  4:28             ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-26 17:37               ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-23 22:18           ` Andrea Corallo
2024-11-22 10:57       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-22 23:19         ` Adam Porter
2024-11-26 19:01       ` Daniel Radetsky
2024-11-26 19:51         ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-27  2:18           ` Adam Porter [this message]
2024-11-27  2:06         ` Adam Porter
2024-11-22 15:36     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-22 17:48       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-23 23:43     ` Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
2024-11-23  6:10   ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-23  7:48     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23 11:06       ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-23 11:54         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23 12:48           ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-23 23:59       ` Adam Porter
2024-11-24 18:12     ` Suhail Singh
2024-11-26  4:56       ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-26  7:38         ` Suhail Singh
2024-11-21  5:59 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-11-22 11:36   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-22 11:52     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23 10:36       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-23 11:31         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 13:39 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-11-21 19:01   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-21 19:19     ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-21 19:47     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 19:40 ` Jim Porter
2024-11-24  4:35   ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-21 23:57 ` Po Lu
2024-11-22 17:26 ` On committing significant and/or controversial changes (was: My resignation from Emacs development) Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-22 17:47   ` Ship Mints
2024-11-22 19:04     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-24  2:35       ` On committing significant and/or controversial changes Björn Bidar
2024-11-24  4:41         ` Adam Porter
     [not found]       ` <87ttbx73zu.fsf@>
2024-11-24  8:26         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22 19:01   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23  6:10 ` My resignation from Emacs development Richard Stallman
2024-11-23  8:50   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23  6:10 ` Richard Stallman

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