From: Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net>
To: Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com>,
Daniel Radetsky <dradetsky@gmail.com>
Cc: acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: My resignation from Emacs development
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2024 20:18:17 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <f1c25474-4ef2-492f-bafa-d17dc7325f08@alphapapa.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <trinity-ab660a19-f454-4a88-8677-1c87b095efef-1732650718346@3c-app-mailcom-bs09>
Christopher,
On 11/26/24 13:51, Christopher Dimech wrote:
> In the matter of blaming maintainers for decisions - whether directly or
> indirectly - the question of whether maintainers should be allowed to
> break their own rules is critical. A compelling case exists that they
> should. Strict adherence to lengthy review periods or
> consensus-building processes is often impractical, especially in
> situations where only maintainers possess the necessary expertise to
> advance the program.
>
> Maintainers breaking their own rules represents a pragmatic approach,
> prioritizing progress and functionality over rigid adherence to dogmatic
> processes. This flexibility ensures that the project continues to evolve
> and adapt to its challenges.
You seem to imply that some kind of rule-breaking has happened. I don't
think this is so--unless the rule were "No one may make any change
unless everyone agrees to it." The technical matters in question have
been thoroughly discussed. A change was made. The maintainers support
it (in absence of a better solution, which they have not found). One
contributor refuses to tolerate it--regrettable, but solely his decision
to make. There's little else--factually--to say.
> That said, while maintainers must retain the ability to make such
> decisions - even if they sometimes result in dissent or the
> departure of contributors - there is a clear responsibility to avoid
> fostering a culture of arbitrary rule-breaking. Transparency,
> accountability, and judicious use of this authority are essential to
> maintain the integrity of the program, especially in a collaborative
> environment heavily reliant on contributor involvement.
You seem to imply some kind of secrecy is involved. Everything I see
indicates the opposite: lengthy, public discussions, long-considered but
finally needed decisions, and further lengthy, public discussions (with
unfairly implied chastisement of the maintainers for implied secrecy).
One could hardly find a more transparently run project.
You even mention integrity, as if to suggest that the maintainers' is in
question. Please be careful that your words don't imply criticism where
none is deserved.
--Adam
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-11-27 2:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-11-20 15:13 My resignation from Emacs development Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-20 15:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-20 16:23 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-21 6:22 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-11-21 10:05 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-21 11:23 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-11-21 11:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 10:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-21 12:26 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-20 16:42 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-20 17:04 ` tomas
2024-11-20 21:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-21 2:28 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-21 12:34 ` Tree-sitter maturity (was: My resignation from Emacs development) Peter Oliver
2024-11-23 13:41 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-24 2:10 ` Tree-sitter maturity Björn Bidar
2024-11-21 13:01 ` My resignation from Emacs development Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-21 13:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 14:29 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-22 0:01 ` Po Lu
2024-11-22 7:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22 8:14 ` Robert Pluim
2024-11-22 8:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22 23:59 ` Po Lu
2024-11-23 6:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 16:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-22 5:35 ` Adam Porter
2024-11-22 7:24 ` Madhu
2024-11-22 8:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22 9:26 ` Madhu
2024-11-22 12:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22 12:40 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-22 13:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-22 13:39 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-22 14:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-25 4:28 ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-26 17:37 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-23 22:18 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-11-22 10:57 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-22 23:19 ` Adam Porter
2024-11-26 19:01 ` Daniel Radetsky
2024-11-26 19:51 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-27 2:18 ` Adam Porter [this message]
2024-11-27 2:06 ` Adam Porter
2024-11-22 15:36 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-22 17:48 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-23 23:43 ` Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
2024-11-23 6:10 ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-23 7:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23 11:06 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-23 11:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23 12:48 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-23 23:59 ` Adam Porter
2024-11-24 18:12 ` Suhail Singh
2024-11-26 4:56 ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-26 7:38 ` Suhail Singh
2024-11-21 5:59 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-11-22 11:36 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-22 11:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23 10:36 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-23 11:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 13:39 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-11-21 19:01 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-21 19:19 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-11-21 19:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-21 19:40 ` Jim Porter
2024-11-24 4:35 ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-21 23:57 ` Po Lu
2024-11-22 17:26 ` On committing significant and/or controversial changes (was: My resignation from Emacs development) Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-22 17:47 ` Ship Mints
2024-11-22 19:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-24 2:35 ` On committing significant and/or controversial changes Björn Bidar
2024-11-24 4:41 ` Adam Porter
[not found] ` <87ttbx73zu.fsf@>
2024-11-24 8:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-22 19:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23 6:10 ` My resignation from Emacs development Richard Stallman
2024-11-23 8:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-23 6:10 ` Richard Stallman
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
List information: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=f1c25474-4ef2-492f-bafa-d17dc7325f08@alphapapa.net \
--to=adam@alphapapa.net \
--cc=acm@muc.de \
--cc=dimech@gmx.com \
--cc=dradetsky@gmail.com \
--cc=emacs-devel@gnu.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this public inbox
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).