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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:265497 Archived-At: On 22.02.2021 20:48, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > I won't object making something like that an optional feature, but > doing this by default is annoying, IMO: it's too much unsolicited > info. If, after reading the doc string, I want to look up the symbol > in the Info manual, I can do that with 2 keystrokes, I don't need > Emacs to show it to me unconditionally. The only extra info on the screenshot are the "View in manual" button (which I would imagine you find appealing, given that it will lead more users to read the manual) and the "References" section, which is not essential, IMHO. The rest are mostly presentation. Though the "key bindings" section is interesting in that is also shows the keymap where each bindings resides. This would have saved me some extra debugging efforts in the past.