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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::430 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242305 Archived-At: On 17.11.2019 20:36, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > That's developer unfriendliness, not user unfriendliness, in my opinion. No, we expect end users to file reports through Debbugs. And then, apparently, be able to close them. > And I don't remember those details at all -- that's why we have > debbugs-gnu, which is a lot friendlier (to me) than any web-based bug > tracker. That's for us, not them.