From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bozhidar Batsov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Mode line strings for sub- and super- minor modes are counterintuitive Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 08:45:36 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87ppp6vpjv.fsf@gmail.com> <2643591.vy3k34KHB8@descartes> <87d2c23jqz.fsf_-_@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="53ed9e80_257130a3_d691" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1408081568 20337 80.91.229.3 (15 Aug 2014 05:46:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 05:46:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel To: Matthias Meulien Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 15 07:46:01 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XIAKu-0002sp-VZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 07:46:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57638 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XIAKu-0000Bq-Lk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 01:46:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51436) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XIAKj-0000A7-3Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 01:45:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XIAKZ-0007K2-NF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 01:45:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x22d.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::22d]:41500) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XIAKZ-0007Jx-0i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 01:45:39 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wi0-f173.google.com with SMTP id f8so395770wiw.12 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 22:45:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:content-type; bh=BrG24Wt/94DPROj2gGaDoaacA5jdS5DAuq8mnjmUEhI=; b=yyvWIViy8+Pn11jj6sg5RgSHqAhjkJfp3IDeakRb9gJV16Khr5No8FBprQjQEmhKcf /PJ8KeVHHT0n9IqvlvAGJV0u0mtc8mr3NM+NWNnRJOsQzNLiHTP8wkZ7aIalVC4QeNVJ V/DTp4F4/6wdroPWgK7RamhoB+n0YCzGntU3GQyQgTswJtkbHMPiksYNFP7CMFcGcoH8 a1QMl4EMkao4+k238Nu+w59PXBevWh4EdyAieovsCBA1+x4fPsFdKS3uLXRLf20wf/AN qTpHEkgNuts8QtjDlhT9Pwi5CpzIePGoXh1CxDN41MfZNmbdLjod81jLbbgyh9bUX00L o+mQ== X-Received: by 10.194.11.10 with SMTP id m10mr17369426wjb.77.1408081537830; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 22:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from bozhidar-mini.local ([93.123.71.105]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fp6sm3414514wic.11.2014.08.14.22.45.36 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Aug 2014 22:45:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87d2c23jqz.fsf_-_@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Airmail (247) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22d X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:173683 Archived-At: --53ed9e80_257130a3_d691 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I totally agree - such lighters are quite confusing. I think the practice= of using punctuation characters only for minor-mode lighters should be d= iscouraged. =E2=80=94=C2=A0 Cheers, Bozhidar On August 14, 2014 at 23:21:51, Matthias Meulien (orontee=40gmail.com) wr= ote: When subword (resp. superword) minor mode is enabled, a comma =20 (resp. a superscript two) is displayed in the mode line. I found =20 those two characters difficult to see and meaning less. =20 I understand that there's not much space in the mode line but =20 other minor modes are much verbose (eg. MML, Abbrev, =46ill, Narrow, =20 Outl, etc). Why subword and superword modes have this special =20 treatment=3F =20 I suggest to use Subw and Supw for the user to have a chance to =20 link the mode line string to the full minor mode. =20 =E2=80=93 =20 Matthias =20 --53ed9e80_257130a3_d691 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline