From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:11:03 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87ober717z.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1363119374 14010 80.91.229.3 (12 Mar 2013 20:16:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 20:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jambunathan K Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 12 21:16:38 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UFVcb-0006ZM-4F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 21:16:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53935 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UFVcE-0000rg-FB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:16:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58599) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UFVYQ-00074k-D5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:15:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UFVXM-0001LO-BQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:12:10 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:46825) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UFVXM-0001LE-7x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:11:04 -0400 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UFVXL-0008CW-EY; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:11:03 -0400 X-Spook: Capricorn Gazprom pre-emptive electronic surveillance X-Ran: Iw%=[6Rj;dJ/_q$J`9d@}{ List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:157796 Archived-At: People on Emacs mailing lists exhibit a remarkable degree of patience. I sometimes think they are too tolerant of disruptive and unpleasant behaviour. I'm less patient and think we would be better served by being a bit less tolerant of bad behaviour. I feel obliged to comment on your behaviour. Jambunathan K wrote: > I have some disagreements with current Orgmode maintainer and the > community in general. It's obvious to even a casual observer of the Org mailing list such as myself that you seem to have some grudge against Bastien Guerry, who AFAICS seems a remarkably patient (too patient, IMO), good-natured individual. You on the other hand come across as very unpleasant and deliberately disruptive. I invite anyone to look at your public history on that list and judge for themselves. We are now getting a tiny taste of it on emacs-devel. As only the latest example: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2013-03/msg00747.html I have no idea why anyone continues to read your mails, and encourage them not to. > I would like to withdraw my pleasure in having these files distributed > as part of Org distribution. Tough, there is absolutely nothing you can do about your past contributions to Org. They can always put them in Org's contrib directory and not merge them to Emacs. So the only thing you can (possibly) screw by this action is Emacs. AFAICS, you (quite rightly and predictably) had zero positive replies to your offer to take over Org: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2013-02/msg00701.html The best thing for everyone would be if you went away and made your own version. > More specifically, I would like to know how copyright assignment works > for files that are not yet part of Emacs. Is there is a way I can > withdraw my assignment (for a substantial period - say 3-6 months) big > enough to create a minor discomfort for the Org community. What a totally mean-spirited thing to do, that can only waste a bunch of people's time (we already have a bunch of people discussing what assignment does and does not mean) and gain nobody anything. If these are the kinds of games you like to play, then my proposal (it's not up to me though) to resolve the issue is that we stop accepting contributions of any kind from you to Emacs. This would save us having to waste time on this.