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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagnostics
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 07:40:55 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <efe28d5d-edc1-4319-8084-25695dd17b76@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150817121513.GA2634@acm.fritz.box>

> Paul, these changes of yours are simply the Wrong Thing.  The fact
> that one "needs" such flaccid workarounds like EQM and the folding of
> quote characters with quote characters in (some of) the searching code
> should be taken as a hint just to stop and think hard.

Amen.  Handwriting on wall.  Look.  See.

> I predict that there will be an open-ended series of bugs following
> from this, little things that just don't quite work anymore, and their
> fixing will be difficult and introduce yet more complexity and more
> little things that don't quite work.
> 
> Emacs is steadily getting more complicated, and these changes are
> gratuitous complexity.  I would say that Emacs's biggest danger at
> the moment is disappearing up its own complexity.  We should be
> resisting this process, not accelerating it.

Yes.  As I said a while back:

  So far, my impression is that there have been a shiPload of
  deep changes that try to work around all kinds of problems
  that have been introduced - and to work around the problems
  that those workarounds have introduced...

  I haven't seen such an invasive change in a long time (never?).
  Makes Rube Goldberg machines look Occam-elegant.  And for
  what?

For what?  Seriously.



  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-17 14:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 212+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <E1ZR0NZ-0002SU-SM@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2015-08-16 21:44   ` [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagnostics Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-16 22:53     ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-16 23:16       ` Drew Adams
2015-08-18  3:40       ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-18  5:20         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-18  8:56           ` Bastien
2015-08-18 17:34             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-18 18:05               ` Andreas Schwab
2015-08-18 18:32                 ` Chad Brown
2015-08-18 19:42                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-18 20:17                     ` Drew Adams
2015-08-24 20:20                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-25 11:35                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-25 22:11                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-25 22:16                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-26 18:51                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-26 22:23                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2015-08-26 22:39                                   ` David Kastrup
2015-08-26 22:53                                     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2015-08-27  2:44                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-27  3:11                                         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2015-08-27  4:43                                         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2015-08-27  4:49                                           ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-08-27 16:27                                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-27 16:27                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-27  3:10                                   ` Alexis
2015-08-27  4:48                                     ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-08-27  4:52                                       ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-08-27  4:49                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-27  5:08                                       ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-08-27  7:33                                         ` David Kastrup
2015-08-27  8:47                                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-27  8:56                                           ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-08-27 16:28                                           ` [TRUNCATED MESSAGE 2408 171455] " Richard Stallman
2015-08-27 17:44                                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-27 11:27                                       ` Alexis
2015-08-27 16:27                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-27 17:16                                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-28  1:41                                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-28  2:02                                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-28  7:28                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 21:17                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-28  8:12                                               ` Rasmus
2015-08-28  8:32                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-28  8:38                                                   ` Rasmus
2015-08-28  8:47                                                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-08-28  9:08                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28  9:36                                                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-08-28  9:05                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28  9:53                                                       ` Rasmus
2015-08-28 10:05                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 10:12                                                           ` Rasmus
2015-08-28 12:45                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 15:04                                                               ` Rasmus
2015-08-28 15:31                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28  9:01                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 16:40                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-28 19:13                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-29 14:50                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-29 16:15                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-30  2:00                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-30 14:41                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-30 15:49                                                             ` David Kastrup
2015-08-31  1:33                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-31 14:29                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-31 17:36                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-31 17:52                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-01  3:33                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-28 21:20                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-28  7:21                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-18 20:53                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-18 21:43                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-19  1:09                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-19 18:14                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-20 13:56                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-21  7:51                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-21 12:43                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-21 12:52                           ` David Kastrup
2015-08-22 17:30                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-21 13:58                         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2015-08-21 14:39                           ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-08-19  1:22                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-19  3:52                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-19 18:15                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-19 18:52                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-20 16:54                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-21  0:48                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-21  1:35                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-18 20:47               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-19  1:24           ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-19  4:52             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-24 20:20               ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-17  3:44     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 11:09       ` Bastien Guerry
2015-08-17 16:39         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 16:57           ` Bastien
2015-08-17 17:25             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 17:47               ` Bastien
2015-08-17 11:33       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-17 16:41         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 11:47       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-17 16:42         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 18:11           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-17 18:38             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 18:50               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-17 23:25                 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-08-17 23:55                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-18 11:31                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-19  6:28                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-19 13:30                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-19 22:21                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-19 22:38                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-20 13:55                           ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-21 23:47                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-22  0:19                               ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-22 12:45                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-24 17:33                                   ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-25  7:11                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-25 11:38                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-25 18:03                                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-26  1:25                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-26  2:51                                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-20 16:56                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-20 19:32                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-22 16:31                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-22 18:48                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-22 21:09                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-22 22:43                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-22 23:08                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-22 23:45                                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-23  8:11                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-23  9:48                                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-23 10:45                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-23 10:48                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2015-08-24  5:47                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-23  4:30                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-23  8:13                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-24  0:08                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-24  1:10                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-24 20:22                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-24 20:20                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-24 22:25                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-25 22:10                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-26  6:13                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 12:15       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-17 14:40         ` Drew Adams [this message]
2015-08-17 16:53           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-17 19:06             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 19:34               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-17 16:53         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 17:35           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-18  2:55             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-18 10:39               ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-18 16:45                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-18 17:17                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-18 19:25                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-18 20:42                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-18 21:40                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-18 22:44                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-08-18 23:11                             ` Bastien
2015-08-18 23:41                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-19  0:29                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-08-19  0:38                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-08-19 18:15                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-19 18:40                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-20 13:37                               ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-08-20 20:23                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-21  7:41                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-21 15:27                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-22 17:29                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-19  6:31                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-19  6:58                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-08-19  9:09                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-19  9:13                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2015-08-19 14:05                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-19 14:47                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2015-08-19 16:10                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-20 23:46                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-19 14:16                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-19 16:03                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-22 17:27                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-23  0:04                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-24  0:05                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-19 18:16                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-21  7:17                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-22 17:27                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-19 18:14                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-18 23:15                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-19  4:24                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-19  7:37                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-08-19 10:10                               ` Nicolas Richard
2015-08-19 14:26                                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-08-19 21:53                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-20  7:20                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2015-08-20 13:31                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-08-18 15:09             ` Yuri Khan
2015-08-18 15:24               ` Andreas Schwab
2015-08-18 15:48                 ` Yuri Khan
2015-08-18 15:48               ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-18 17:08                 ` Yuri Khan
2015-08-18 18:12                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-19  4:45                     ` Yuri Khan
2015-08-19 14:14                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-19  5:19                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-19 14:15                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-19 16:05                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-19  1:19             ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-17 18:22           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-18  3:55             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-18 10:51               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-18 12:31               ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-08-18  3:44           ` Richard Stallman

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