From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Konstantin Kharlamov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why are so many great packages not trying to get included in GNU Emacs? 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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:252485 Archived-At: On Sun, 2020-06-21 at 01:08 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > I haven't followed this thread very closely, but it seems we've strayed > far enough away from Emacs that it's become quite offtopic. Yeah, it probably did. > I may be wrong (since I haven't followed the thread very closely) but my > understanding is that Konstantin would like it for Emacs to accept > submission using a "merge request" model or something like that. > > We've discussed this many times in the past. IIUC, we're slowly going > there (see https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Fsf_2019_forge_evaluation), but > we're an old project, and those people who most contribute to Emacs tend > not to go very much for the shiny new stuff, so if you like the shiny > new stuff I recommend you a healthy dose of patience. Yeah, that was one of points I mentioned in my 1st email. Thanks for the link!