From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: delete-selection-mode as default Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 16:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <83k1nxvm5j.fsf@gnu.org> <877ejxsm18.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <87r2i5308w.fsf@gmail.com> <8336ulv2le.fsf@gnu.org> <87va75ggo3.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <47784549-2e24-40cc-9c83-e73308111af5@default> <875zz3zr6q.fsf@mail.linkov.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1537225858 4771 195.159.176.226 (17 Sep 2018 23:10:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 23:10:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 18 01:10:54 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g22fL-00014S-Kd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 01:10:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37709 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g22hR-0007jG-Sz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 19:13:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55982) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g22gi-0007bl-8x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 19:12:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g22ge-0001xr-3N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 19:12:16 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:52104) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g22gd-0001dL-La for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 19:12:11 -0400 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w8HNAuT1182183; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 23:12:10 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2018-07-02; bh=TR59VDeq1soNHnPcNJ988oXZ9d3qpTSgsB4mnQ098nw=; b=whF1ZvIRHVrJYWx1F+qFHqYOzYXpFZHMC31bLZEyhk0i+NecfEIDPeO2JRBWB08hRu9W +ZzAGq9PIwNB6LySPG8z6isk/3B7leJRYfWLl+HDD4ymsIpP3RBmVEJgSsck3XbL6JYl cmEPtog/GAM84a7yEfgHkt0leB8Uzi/Sl24PLxLHMI+XvRpjjbvubocgDUP7yxDVN8p3 gHbF4Ddnhn8c1IFiOPxUlnG7Adx0X4OLUIkO5xvSZoZ2NMY02V5PZKZ25mnDuztNzEob 8m3dS/xcsu2NXC3Vvrz72TXQdn8UToIhOEIpiqZJYzowOSG2MnVnxFCb6tbzCUPCR9Zp Xw== Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2mgt1ph65v-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Sep 2018 23:12:10 +0000 Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w8HNC8A9004862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Sep 2018 23:12:09 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w8HNC8D8016658; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 23:12:08 GMT In-Reply-To: <875zz3zr6q.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4735.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9019 signatures=668708 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=958 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1807170000 definitions=main-1809170229 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.78 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229916 Archived-At: > > This thread should really be about whether d-s-m > > should be turned on by default. If you want something > > different from d-s-m then, by all means, please > > implement it - but using a new mode name. >=20 > It can not be turned on by default without reimplementation because of > bug#32673 so in fact you are voting against turning it on by default. Wasn't that bug introduced by particular changes trying to fix bug #32173? #32173 says that those changes "break d-s-m", by inappropriately turning d-s-m off. Just don't do that. It's not a problem with d-s-m itself, AFAICT. Regardless. If you think d-s-m can't be turned on by default then don't turn it on by default. But please don't mess with it. Worse than not turning it on by default (who really cares that much?) is ruining it, giving it an incompatible design. It doesn't need a makeover. Please just leave it alone.=20 We can wait another 30 years for someone to reconsider turning it on by default (I won't be here, but I think it will happen). I didn't really expect it to happen now. Maybe in another decade or two...