From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "Przemysław Wojnowski" <esperanto@cumego.com>,
"Dmitry Gutov" <dgutov@yandex.ru>,
"Paul Eggert" <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Escaping quotes in docstrings, Was: A simple solution to "Upcoming loss of usability ..."
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 12:16:40 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ec012e80-b66f-44bd-9082-4427b248bb1a@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55BDD9B5.108@cumego.com>
> 1. What was purpose of the change?
> To replace `' with the other one (sorry, don't have it on my
> keyboard)? What for?
>
> 2. *Was it worth it*?
> Considering number of people involved and time spent by those
> writing and reading emails (even I'm wasting my time now on
> writing this email).
>
> Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that you shouldn't do what
> you are doing.
Provided it is optional for users to suffer from it.
Let them opt in, if they really want this behavior.
At a minimum, let them easily opt out, pretty-please.
I don't even see that possibility currently. How to opt out
doesn't seem to be documented, at least, and lots of source
code seems to hard-code your changes.
We were told over and over that this would be just a healthy
"experiment" and that people shouldn't react prematurely.
Well, it's been several months now. Are you prepared to
back this misguided feature out?
Or were those who decried such a gratuitous & invasive
development correct, in supposing that backing-out would
become next to impossible and this gross hack job would be
here to stay, whatever the post-mortem judgment might be?
> Everyone can do with their time what they want, but maybe it
> would be good to create a Backlog for Emacs and prioritize
> (at least a bit) to see what's really important and _is_
> worth the effort.
+1
So far, my impression is that there have been a shiPload of
deep changes that try to work around all kinds of problems
that have been introduced - and to work around the problems
that those workarounds have introduced...
I haven't seen such an invasive change in a long time (never?).
Makes Rube Goldberg machines look Occam-elegant. And for
what? Just to fit the esthetic, cosmetic concerns of two
or three developers?
Please tell users now _how to opt out completely_, at a
minimum. If letting users restore the longstanding behavior
means getting rid of hard-coded hacks, so be it - please do it.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-08-02 19:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-06-25 14:59 A simple solution to "Upcoming loss of usability ..." Oleh Krehel
2015-06-25 15:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 16:36 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25 17:00 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-25 20:48 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25 21:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 22:15 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25 22:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 22:41 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25 22:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-27 15:00 ` raman
2015-06-25 18:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 22:17 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25 22:38 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-26 2:35 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-26 12:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-27 17:28 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-27 17:53 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-27 21:09 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-28 1:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28 15:20 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-28 20:27 ` Escaping quotes in docstrings, Was: " Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28 23:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-07-01 2:56 ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-02 0:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-07-02 6:57 ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-02 9:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-07-06 6:12 ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-06 12:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-07-06 16:30 ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-06 22:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-07-07 7:54 ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-07 8:39 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-01 1:36 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-01 21:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-02 6:56 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-02 12:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-02 15:13 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-02 18:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-02 8:49 ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2015-08-02 19:16 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2015-06-27 17:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 23:12 ` João Távora
2015-06-26 7:40 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-26 14:54 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-26 15:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 20:58 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-25 22:34 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25 22:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 22:45 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25 22:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
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