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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -50 X-Spam_score: -5.1 X-Spam_bar: ----- X-Spam_report: (-5.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NICE_REPLY_A=-3.576, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255111 Archived-At: On 11.09.2020 09:45, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> OTHO, vanilla Emacs could add a tiny guide like I proposed to more or less improve the life for those who started Emacs without reading any tutorial on the internet. > Sorry to be negative, but based on experience I have hard time > believing in such guides: people who are involved in Emacs development > are much better coding than writing good documentation, let alone > tutorial documentation for newbies. Let's do what we do best: produce > features that make it easier to discover and turn on popular features. Perhaps we can nevertheless encourage "others" to contribute such guide(s)?