From: "Daniel Colascione" <dancol@dancol.org>
To: "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: CHECK_STRUCTS/dmpstruct.h mechanism is broken.
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:13:10 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <eb75dc0eaac68e5929d7648eb683eea4.squirrel@dancol.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83k1g04al8.fsf@gnu.org>
>> From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
>> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 11:31:36 -0700
>>
>> On 4/11/19 2:35 AM, Robert Pluim wrote:
>> > Much as I dislike Autoconf, what would you have us replace it with?
>>
>> I was thinking of using just standard tools (as per the GNU Coding
>> Standards) along with GNU Make - and, once the Emacs core is built, we
>> can use Emacs itself. Although we started assuming GNU Make in Emacs 25,
>> we haven't been using GNU Make's features fully and some of its features
>> could effectively replace the need for Autoconf.
>
> You want to test for system-dependent features with Make? How does
> one do that? All those HAVE_foo macros in the sources -- how do you
> compute them with Make? Wouldn't we end up with heaps of Make
> wizardry only a few understand?
GNU make can run arbitrary shell commands. You'd just write
HAVE_foo := $(shell ./test-foo)
or something like that, then have a separate make function that compiled
all these tests into a header. I don't think it's a *good* idea, but it
works, and you can do surprisingly complex things this way.
>> A benefit of this approach would be faster builds. Right now the biggest
>> bottleneck on my system is the time to run 'configure' whenever I make a
>> trivial change to configure.ac or whatever. I *hate* that.
>
> IME, the slowest part is byte compilation of Lisp files. Of course,
> that is only a significant factor when you bootstrap or rebuild large
> parts of Emacs, but still.
Someday, it'd be nice to get rid of explicit byte compilation entirely and
rely on either a JIT or automatic recompilation on load.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-04-11 22:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-02-28 20:21 CHECK_STRUCTS/dmpstruct.h mechanism is broken Alan Mackenzie
2019-02-28 20:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-02-28 20:59 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-03-01 7:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-01 13:09 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-03-05 2:17 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-09 22:47 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-10 13:12 ` Andy Moreton
2019-04-10 14:59 ` Andy Moreton
2019-04-10 17:36 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-10 19:26 ` Andy Moreton
2019-04-10 19:43 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-10 16:22 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-04-10 18:05 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-10 19:45 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-04-10 20:11 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-11 4:11 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-15 12:36 ` Andy Moreton
2019-04-15 15:32 ` Andy Moreton
2019-04-15 15:53 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-11 13:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-11 4:17 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-10 18:47 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-10 18:58 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-10 19:02 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-10 19:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-11 9:35 ` Robert Pluim
2019-04-11 18:31 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-11 19:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-11 22:13 ` Daniel Colascione [this message]
2019-04-12 6:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-11 22:23 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-11 22:26 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-11 22:38 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-12 6:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-12 19:40 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-13 9:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-14 2:52 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-12 12:21 ` Andy Moreton
2019-04-12 13:37 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-04-12 13:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-12 13:58 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-04-13 14:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-04-13 14:46 ` About ./configure --cache-file (WAS: CHECK_STRUCTS/dmpstruct.h mechanism is broken.) Noam Postavsky
2019-04-14 2:44 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-14 3:26 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-14 3:49 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-04-14 9:45 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-04-14 14:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-14 14:44 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-04-14 14:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-13 8:11 ` CHECK_STRUCTS/dmpstruct.h mechanism is broken Achim Gratz
2019-04-14 2:52 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-14 3:28 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-14 7:22 ` Achim Gratz
2019-04-14 23:29 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-15 11:31 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-04-15 14:14 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-15 18:11 ` Richard Stallman
2019-04-16 18:10 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-22 2:18 ` Richard Stallman
2019-04-22 4:07 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-23 1:41 ` Richard Stallman
2019-04-23 3:48 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-23 6:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-23 16:28 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-23 17:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-23 17:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-24 2:26 ` Richard Stallman
2019-04-15 3:36 ` Richard Stallman
2019-04-15 5:30 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-11 19:55 ` Achim Gratz
2019-04-11 22:10 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-11 22:47 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-11 22:44 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-12 17:02 ` Daniele Nicolodi
2019-04-13 8:26 ` Achim Gratz
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