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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:204552 Archived-At: On 06/20/2016 01:20 AM, Robert Weiner wrote: > Fair enough. The HY-ABOUT file available on {C-h h d a} tells you > what it is all about and should > be mentioned in the HY-README file. Thanks, that's a better read for that purpose. >> A button that computes a factorial is not particularly convincing, >> I could do that just as easily via an interactive function. > > True. You probably want {C-h h d t} which lets you browse all of the > implicit button types and action types. Rather than a long list of things that are possible, I would prefer to see two or three things that are most impressive. Or four. > That's like asking what workflow Lisp can enable. Hyperbole is a > toolkit, like Emacs, that you mold to your needs. It has a lot of > built-in behavior but is not limited by this. Right, but a system that allows you to do anything often doesn't help you do anything in particular. That's a problem, both for new users and for advocates. > If you get into Hyperbole more, you will certainly understand why we > name that key and don't use a specific mouse button name much. Probably, but I meant that introducing new terms in a demo might be premature. > Send us your system specifics so we can possibly replicate the > problem. With Hyperbole, you can do this with {C-h h m c}. Hopefully that does it: Editor: GNU Emacs 25.0.95.2 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.18.9) Hyperbole: 05.12 Sys Type: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu OS Type: gnu/linux Window Sys: x Although I'm not starting with bare Emacs, but rather with my own customized configuration.