From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 15:29:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: < <87388bnzha.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87k31mdbhe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx0qiv45.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9wqd3i5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> > <<87fvc8kdsp.fsf@gnu.org> <6e11cd85-09a0-4b7a-baa2-0c810bdebbce@default> <871tnsg0w7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> > <<834msoqrsg.fsf@gnu.org> <87k31ki3tc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <21657.38692.813089.642641@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx0j4tqo.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87y4puad75.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> > <> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419636580 24852 80.91.229.3 (26 Dec 2014 23:29:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 23:29:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org, Tom Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 27 00:29:33 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y4eK4-0003rB-N0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2014 00:29:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54644 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y4eK3-0005Rb-SA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 18:29:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46164) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y4eK0-0005RU-Eg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 18:29:29 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y4eJw-0003qz-DW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 18:29:28 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:50255) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y4eJw-0003qm-7P; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 18:29:24 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id sBQNTKD8025697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 Dec 2014 23:29:21 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sBQNTJtY026332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 Dec 2014 23:29:20 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0012.oracle.com (abhmp0012.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sBQNTJ8l026328; Fri, 26 Dec 2014 23:29:19 GMT In-Reply-To: <> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180703 Archived-At: > The reason I don't want to adopt this position is that it implicitly > assumes we should treat "use Google" as the recommended solution. I'm guessing that your objection here is not to recommending web search but= to recommending the use of Google. FWIW, "googling" is commonly used as a generic term for web-searching (usin= g a web search engine). Like it or not. Just as "kleenex" became a generic name for facial tissues and "scotch tape= " became a generic name for transparent tape, "google" as a verb is likely = here to stay. You can decide to fight that use as a verb - that's a choice. You can sugg= est and hope that people will use a verb such as "web-search" instead. But "googling" does not imply using www.google.com, even if, because of Goo= gle's overwhelming presence, "googling" also has that connotation. People will know what you mean, if you use "web-search" as a verb instead o= f "google". That's one viable alternative. (What they will understand by = the verb "to web-search" is "to google".)