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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273089 Archived-At: On 26.08.2021 23:51, Arthur Miller wrote: >> The point is, someone who has never contributed before can more easily see all >> bugs/PRs/discussions from the outside, and when they file a PR, see the checks >> succeed or fail (with specific complaints and recommendations) without having to >> involve a live person. > Hmm, some projects have thousands of issues, some remove solved issues. I am not > sure it is so easily discoverable. Also I see a lot of comments on gh advising > users to first search for the issue before posting, which makes me thing that > people are not so good to "look first" if issue is already solved. I didn't mean to say it's perfect, just more manageable. And, like you say, a lot of users are already "trained" to look for prior discussions, prior issues, etc. This is harder to do with the email-based workflow. We see people on Emacs Help asking similar questions over and over. >> The ability to avoid bothering anyone directly (and risk a negative reception) >> can help avoid some of the worries. > > Maybe Emacs project should be better at informing users about Emacs bug tracker: > > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/pkgreport.cgi?package=emacs > > and this one: > > https://debbugs.gnu.org/ > > and debbugs package for browsing bugs directly from Emacs? They should be informed, yes, but our antiquated bug tracker is the main technical weak point of the project. Some of the previous messages which referred to difficulties in email-based workflow were actually about "email-based Debbugs workflow".