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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306137 Archived-At: On 5/15/2023 3:15 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > I think your guideline text is good. It's quite clear, and readable > too. > > But I'm confusd by this subsequent comment: > > > However, I also think it's important to show how you can > > come up with a good compromise if you're a package author who just can't > > let go of your fun package name. In my mind, showing in the > > documentation how to compromise on this would go a long way towards > > making package authors not feel like they're being micromanaged. > > The last paragraph of your draft text, about goblin-functions, > > > Instead, I finally opt for a compromise: I'll still use "Goblin" when > > documenting the package and prefix names in my code with "goblin-", but > > I decide to submit it to GNU ELPA as "goblin-functions". While this > > isn't as descriptive as "gobject", it does at least provide a hint to > > the reader that this is a collection of functions (intended for other > > Lisp authors, as opposed to end users). > > seems to do that -- so why is a change needed? I just want to adjust the emphasis of the text to gently nudge package maintainers to choose something as simple as possible like "gobject" if they can (or if they're willing). I think the final draft will be pretty close to how it is now, but with a couple extra sentences to add more detail. > I think goblin-gobjects might be a superior compromise. That's a good idea. I'll change the text to use that name instead. Thanks.