From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Consistent vanilla Emacs Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 00:21:57 +0300 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="55514"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 To: Stefan Kangas , "Nicolas P. 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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250296 Archived-At: On 14.05.2020 17:20, Stefan Kangas wrote: > 1. Currently, the consensus seems to be that the menu and tool bar are > important to have. So we can't disable them by default. We would > like to make them look better though, but I don't know if there is > any work being done on that. I think the main toolbars look fine in GNOME, the one in the scratch buffer for sure. Maybe I'd like it to be less tall, but that seems minor. Do you like it, or does it not look good on your system? > 3. We currently don't ship any fonts with GNU Emacs. Maybe we should > consider doing that? It seems to me that many other applications do. > Or maybe we should introduce a stronger set of default fonts for > different systems. IIRC Eli said that we can't distribute fonts for our own use only, whatever fonts are needed the user will have to install system-wide, or put into ~/.fonts, at least. It's a technical limitation, and maybe someone would like to take a shot at it someday.