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From: Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net>
To: acorallo@gnu.org
Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Declaring Lisp function types
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 19:01:44 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e50edefc-db4f-4d2a-996c-c73f011eaec6@alphapapa.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yp1ttl7v3sk.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>

Hi Andrea, et al,

> I'd like to progress on this but in order to do that we should pick a
> syntax.
> 
> Of the three most discussed syntaxes in this thread my order of
> preference is (by examples):
> 
> 1:
> 
> (defun sum (a b)
>   (declare (function (integer integer) integer))
>   (+ a b))

Please do not use this syntax.  As I've said on the list at 
<https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2024-02/msg00790.html> 
and 
<https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2024-02/msg00815.html>, 
and in this bug report 
<https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=69521>, and again on the 
list in this separate thread, as I was instructed 
<https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2024-03/msg00118.html>, 
that would preclude the possibility of allowing DECLARE-FUNCTION forms 
to be placed inside DEFUNs' DECLARE forms as:

   (declare (function ...))

For some reason, I can't seem to get a response to that idea, either 
affirmative, negative, or neutral.  But I would ask that my proposal at 
least be considered and addressed before moving forward with that syntax 
for this other purpose.

> 2:
> 
> (defun sum (a b)
>   (declare (type (function (integer integer) integer)))
>   (+ a b))
> 
> 3:
> 
> (defun sum (a b)
>   (declare (type (integer integer) integer))
>   (+ a b))
> 
> For the reasons I've already expressed: 1 I like it, 2 I'm okay with it,
> 3 I very much dislike it.

Forgive me if I've missed it, but why do you dislike #3?  It seems 
concise and descriptive: it is DECLAREing the DEFUN's TYPEs, just as:

   (declare (debug ...))

DECLAREs the DEFUN's DEBUG instrumentation.  Whereas including 
"function" in the form seems redundant and occupies several extra 
characters.  The DECLARE form is specifically about the DEFUN, so what 
other TYPEs would it be about?

Thanks,
Adam




  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-03-16  0:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-23 16:02 Declaring Lisp function types Andrea Corallo
2024-02-23 23:35 ` Adam Porter
2024-02-24  7:10   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-24  8:53     ` Tomas Hlavaty
2024-02-24  9:08       ` Adam Porter
2024-02-24  9:24         ` Andrea Corallo
2024-02-24 15:13           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2024-02-24 15:21             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2024-02-24 15:24               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2024-02-24  8:56     ` Adam Porter
2024-02-24 10:03       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-25  7:35         ` Adam Porter
2024-02-24  9:21   ` Andrea Corallo
2024-02-25 17:04 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-02-25 17:15   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-25 17:16   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-02-26 16:25   ` Andrea Corallo
2024-02-29  3:50   ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-29  6:10     ` Adam Porter
2024-02-29  9:02     ` Andrea Corallo
2024-02-26  3:38 ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-26 16:38   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-02-26 16:54     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-26 17:44       ` Andrea Corallo
2024-02-26 16:52   ` Andrea Corallo
2024-02-26 18:10     ` Tomas Hlavaty
2024-03-02 21:19 ` Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
2024-03-03  9:52   ` Andrea Corallo
2024-03-03 14:52     ` Stefan Monnier
2024-03-03 17:31       ` Andrea Corallo
2024-03-03 18:13         ` Stefan Monnier
2024-03-15 16:49 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-03-15 18:19   ` Tomas Hlavaty
2024-03-15 18:38     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-16 13:39       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2024-03-16 14:06         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-16 14:56           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2024-03-16 15:43             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-03-16 15:44             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-16 15:54               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-03-18  8:55               ` Lele Gaifax
2024-03-16  0:01   ` Adam Porter [this message]
2024-03-18  9:25     ` Andrea Corallo
2024-03-26 10:13   ` Andrea Corallo
2024-03-26 10:28     ` Christopher Dimech
2024-03-26 12:55     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-26 16:46       ` Andrea Corallo
2024-04-29 17:48         ` Andrea Corallo
2024-04-29 17:55           ` Stefan Monnier
2024-04-29 18:42             ` Andrea Corallo
2024-04-30 14:55           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-30 18:29             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-05-01 20:57               ` Andrea Corallo
2024-05-01 21:06                 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-05-02  6:16                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-02 10:16                   ` Andrea Corallo
2024-05-02  6:15                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-02 10:12                   ` Andrea Corallo
2024-05-02 11:15                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-02 13:20                     ` Stefan Monnier
2024-05-01 20:54             ` Andrea Corallo
2024-05-02 10:22               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-02 15:18                 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-05-02 16:32                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-26 13:05     ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-03-26 13:44     ` Stefan Monnier
2024-03-26 14:28     ` Joost Kremers
2024-03-26 14:37       ` Stefan Monnier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-03-16  7:46 Arthur Miller
2024-03-16 15:46 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-03-18  9:02 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-03-18  9:58   ` Arthur Miller

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