From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: First draft of the Emacs website Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 14:57:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <87io4lem98.fsf@petton.fr> <56604A9C.7080508@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="__1449183479446247555abhmp0003.oracle.com" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1449183507 9342 80.91.229.3 (3 Dec 2015 22:58:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 22:58:27 +0000 (UTC) To: John Yates , Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 03 23:58:14 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1a4cpJ-0005iR-Rw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 23:58:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37796 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4cpI-0000xM-V3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 17:58:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41290) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4cpD-0000x4-AY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 17:58:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4cp8-0005ZC-0c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 17:58:07 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:22161) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4cp7-0005YI-PR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 17:58:01 -0500 Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id tB3Mw0vx000781 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Dec 2015 22:58:00 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tB3MvxnW018587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Dec 2015 22:58:00 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id tB3MvxMe016946; Thu, 3 Dec 2015 22:57:59 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.81 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:195838 Archived-At: --__1449183479446247555abhmp0003.oracle.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FWIW - =C2=A0 (My assumption is that anyone who does not already have some exposure to th= e command-line is a lost cause, but I would be happy to be corrected.) =C2=A0 I disagree. You do not need to be familiar with using a CLI to use Emacs. (= I use M-x grep, and that's about it, these days.) =C2=A0 * Hence any mention of Lisp seems inappropriate.=C2=A0 We had better hope t= hat Emacs' Out-Of-Box impression is good enough to motivate - in time - an = interest in Lisp, rather than presume it.=C2=A0 Even more off-putting are t= he fine points of various Lisp dialects and Lisp extensions. =C2=A0 Not presuming "an interest in Lisp" is not the same as forbidding "any ment= ion of Lisp". And I disagree that any mention of Lisp is inappropriate.=20 =C2=A0 I agree that no mention need be made of different Lisps or dive into specif= ic aspects of Lisp.=20 =C2=A0 But it can be mentioned that you have available a powerful, easy-to-use (ye= s), very high-level programming language to extend and interact with Emacs.= And yes, this is end-user stuff. (IMHO) =C2=A0 * Displaying Lisp code is probably not a great "come-on". =C2=A0 Simple Lisp code need not be a giant turn-off either, and need not be verbo= ten in this context. --__1449183479446247555abhmp0003.oracle.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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(My assumption is that anyo= ne who does not already have some exposure to the command-line is a lost ca= use, but I would be happy to be corrected.)

 

 

* Hence any mention of Lisp seems inappropriate.  We had bette= r hope that Emacs' Out-Of-Box impression is good enough to motivate - in ti= me - an interest in Lisp, rather than presume it.  Even more off-putti= ng are the fine points of various Lisp dialects and Lisp extensions.

 

Not presuming "an interest in Lisp&q= uot; is not the same as forbidding "any mention of Lisp". = And I disagree that any mention of Lisp is inappropriate.

 

I agree that no mention need be made of different = Lisps or dive into specific aspects of Lisp.

 

<= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";colo= r:#244061'>But it can be mentioned that you have available a powerful, easy= -to-use (yes), very high-level programming language to extend and interact = with Emacs. And yes, this is end-user stuff. (IMHO)

 

* Displaying Lisp code is probably not a great "come-o= n".

 

Simple Lisp code need not be a gi= ant turn-off either, and need not be verboten in this context.

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