From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A couple of questions and concerns about Emacs network security Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 10:03:27 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: References: <20180705093346.071e6970@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <83wou9n66t.fsf@gnu.org> <20180705112920.076265d5@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <83r2khms1j.fsf@gnu.org> <895f8d54-aa4b-a735-19ac-2ffde88b61eb@cs.ucla.edu> <83muv5mq6b.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1530896546 23644 195.159.176.226 (6 Jul 2018 17:02:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 17:02:26 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, wyuenho@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, perry@piermont.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 06 19:02:22 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fbU7h-00062N-IY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Jul 2018 19:02:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58931 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fbU9o-00069N-R0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Jul 2018 13:04:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48706) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fbU8t-00068M-Hs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jul 2018 13:03:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fbU8s-0000a0-Ot for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jul 2018 13:03:35 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:56120) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fbU8o-0000Wr-RN; Fri, 06 Jul 2018 13:03:31 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7123A1610DE; Fri, 6 Jul 2018 10:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id aqwkfCt-Mrgo; Fri, 6 Jul 2018 10:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6EE31610F1; Fri, 6 Jul 2018 10:03:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id j2Bag-HkC77V; Fri, 6 Jul 2018 10:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (unknown [47.154.30.119]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 25EA81610DE; Fri, 6 Jul 2018 10:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=eggert@cs.ucla.edu; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsFNBEyAcmQBEADAAyH2xoTu7ppG5D3a8FMZEon74dCvc4+q1XA2J2tBy2pwaTqfhpxxdGA9 Jj50UJ3PD4bSUEgN8tLZ0san47l5XTAFLi2456ciSl5m8sKaHlGdt9XmAAtmXqeZVIYX/UFS 96fDzf4xhEmm/y7LbYEPQdUdxu47xA5KhTYp5bltF3WYDz1Ygd7gx07Auwp7iw7eNvnoDTAl KAl8KYDZzbDNCQGEbpY3efZIvPdeI+FWQN4W+kghy+P6au6PrIIhYraeua7XDdb2LS1en3Ss mE3QjqfRqI/A2ue8JMwsvXe/WK38Ezs6x74iTaqI3AFH6ilAhDqpMnd/msSESNFt76DiO1ZK QMr9amVPknjfPmJISqdhgB1DlEdw34sROf6V8mZw0xfqT6PKE46LcFefzs0kbg4GORf8vjG2 Sf1tk5eU8MBiyN/bZ03bKNjNYMpODDQQwuP84kYLkX2wBxxMAhBxwbDVZudzxDZJ1C2VXujC OJVxq2kljBM9ETYuUGqd75AW2LXrLw6+MuIsHFAYAgRr7+KcwDgBAfwhPBYX34nSSiHlmLC+ KaHLeCLF5ZI2vKm3HEeCTtlOg7xZEONgwzL+fdKo+D6SoC8RRxJKs8a3sVfI4t6CnrQzvJbB n6gxdgCu5i29J1QCYrCYvql2UyFPAK+do99/1jOXT4m2836j1wARAQABzSBQYXVsIEVnZ2Vy dCA8ZWdnZXJ0QGNzLnVjbGEuZWR1PsLBfgQTAQIAKAUCTIByZAIbAwUJEswDAAYLCQgHAwIG FQgCCQoLBBYCAwECH In-Reply-To: <83muv5mq6b.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-US X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:227009 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Paul Eggert > Web browsing is a niche application in Emacs, while > NSM is about all kinds of network connections, not just those created > on behalf of EWW. Absolutely. Emacs has a more-general security problem than Firefox does. However, when Emacs is used to browse the web, Firefox is a good model fo= r what=20 Emacs's default security should be. We should not waste our time (and our= users'=20 security and/or time) reinventing that wheel, nor should we be excessivel= y=20 cautious about improving Emacs's default web-browsing security to be some= thing=20 more like Firefox circa 2018 instead of like Netscape Navigator circa 199= 8 (I=20 exaggerate for the purposes of conversation :-).