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Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::32c X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248608 Archived-At: On 02.05.2020 19:04, João Távora wrote: > But the more I think about it the more I think it's a bad name. I would > never use it, it's so long. concat is concat. It's not His Excellence > Concatenatious the Third. Learning names of variables and functions > is the easiest and most fun part of programming anyway. You use format > until you stumble upon it. And I hope you don't want to rename it > string-format. 'format' is a well-known name on its own, across many languages. >> BTW, does 'flex' not care about whether the match is in the beginning of >> the string? Only about the gaps and the string's length? > > I think so, yes. I remember thinking about that and come to the conclusion > that the beginning is no more important than the end. Consider completions for C-h f file-name-. Don't you think it would be better to sort file-name-directory before backup-file-name-p? Or file-name-sans-extension before help-C-file-name. >>> My position is: work on the manual. Make it prettier, better organized, >>> etc. >>> Parsimoniously add new names if that really helps. >> It might take another 5-10 years before I start using the manual regularly. > > We should start by reading the time-traveller's handbook, then. No need. Just ask a time traveller's really. > No really, I'm curious. Why don't _you_ use the manual. Do you read > any manuals? Very rarely. It's like a separate skill which I never put effort into mastering to an automatic level. The fact that we've had multiple disagreements about how the documentation should be written doesn't help either. > I'm like 50-50%, honestly I'll open the Elisp info node > and just C-s from there, then search around. That's still slower than using completion. > But sometimes I'll > use google and C-h f. Yup. Most users will use Google anyway, because that's #1 thing they know.