From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "paul r" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Transient Region Highlighting - an improvement over Transient Mark Mode. Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:48:49 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20080401151931.GA6533@muc.de> <20080401174900.GA2260@muc.de> <200804011810.m31IAghI007964@jane.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1207097236 6492 80.91.229.12 (2 Apr 2008 00:47:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 00:47:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Luc Teirlinck" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 02 02:47:48 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jgr8g-0000Eo-Pt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 02:47:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jgr84-0000hg-6G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:47:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jgr1v-0004pf-2l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:40:43 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jgr1t-0004oP-5x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:40:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jgr1s-0004o7-UE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:40:40 -0400 Original-Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.128.188]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jgr1s-000139-IA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:40:40 -0400 Original-Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 26so3242053fkx.10 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.82.184.2 with SMTP id h2mr21334951buf.1.1207075730043; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.82.175.3 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:48:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200804011810.m31IAghI007964@jane.dms.auburn.edu> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:94146 Archived-At: 2008/4/1, Luc Teirlinck : > Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Setting mark-even-if-inactive to t by default was a decision made to > make transient-mark-mode less annoying to people who do not use it, > are not going to use it ever and have no idea whatsoever about why > and how people use it. I hope that not to many other changes have > been made to t-m-m for that same purpose in this seemingly endless > discussion. After more thoughts, I also think it is not a newbie-friendly choice to turn on mark-even-if-inactive. It is maybe even more confusing than no tmm at all. So if tmm is on by default in a move to make defaults easier for newbies, mark-even-if-inactive should be let off. > > I have used t-m-m ever since I used Emacs and if I use commands like > C-w and friends without having a region highlighted, so without being > able to verify what is going to be deleted, there is 100% certainty > that I typed C-w inadvertently, so the nice thing to do is to give me > an error message rather than to make me pay for my mistyping. Yes, I agree.