From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "paul r" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-z and C-x C-z are bound to suspend-frame Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:38:40 +0100 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206520733 518 80.91.229.12 (26 Mar 2008 08:38:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:38:53 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 26 09:39:24 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JeRAJ-0007IH-HA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:39:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JeR9i-0001iL-7U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:38:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JeR9e-0001i0-Oa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:38:42 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JeR9e-0001ho-6v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:38:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JeR9e-0001hl-4C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:38:42 -0400 Original-Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.158]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JeR9d-0003kv-Uc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:38:42 -0400 Original-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so3664032fga.30 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:38:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=RzPJYlea3bxr5wC5jm+C0/oB3a27tD79x54MJJ9Ls0M=; b=MGAWkzvLTF4ZOSdyWC4MaqhIZdkWzdcRrmY2XEk/N0hDBLCJ4QNgc81ma3x3BSeH4ku21n9a73lmcncTn/CeB1zCpQ1lToOAH+RnAKPDdGFb0P1Lqp+sTty7ywwi12N67tEZeuHb2GdRXuVK3gNRxhQAqUiKVS/ueIQdTHqNBrQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=E6aJGfvzViTYASrot402cR8YxSdnzfV456A41RBWjp/gEGLbu7YfJqZMTdDnthgr9Bkpp3RvWd652EmP6fpZqANz9uUw2r8+xbyBj4obxNsDQg4s7ZlXXB/LLanDEr8e7Vm2hEMR7/vrzlylXj56blSQKqPNTe49OqaYB1YpPKU= Original-Received: by 10.82.112.3 with SMTP id k3mr23836669buc.32.1206520720570; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:38:40 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.82.175.3 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:38:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:93503 Archived-At: 2008/3/26, Johan Bockg=E5rd : > There was a long thread about this a few years ago > > http://news.gmane.org/find-root.php?message_id=3D > I read with high interest, thank you for the pointer. I think I can sum it up in 3 points : - most people think of C-z as a first-class keystroke, and of suspend-emacs as a second-class command (please feel free to suggest better vocabulary than first and second class ) - a lot a people do unbind manually C-z to rebind it as to have a totally dedicated "KeySpace" for their needs - concerns where rised on two points : CUA uses C-z for undo (but well, it also uses C-v for paste) ; and C-z has the meaning of suspend for some people in TTYs (but C-c should have the meaning of kill process as well, as someone mentioned) My position now is : - The rule for C-c LETTER is very subtle, and I'd prefer to see this space reserved for mode-specific personnal keystrokes - I like to think I am totally free for any binding from C-z, this is my really own space and it is accessible from any mode - CUA should be able to adapt, it can probably find room for a personal KeySpace like C-z in its keymap (I notice C-y and C-c are both bound to the same cua-paste, for example) Last thread is more than 4 years old now, has your position evolved since, and how please ? Regards -- Paul