* Emacs buglist old bugs are spamming me now [FW: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender]
@ 2019-04-16 22:03 Drew Adams
2019-04-16 22:19 ` Óscar Fuentes
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2019-04-16 22:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
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I've received over 50 messages like this so far today, out of the blue.
Each has an attachment with an old bug-list message (see attachments).
I'm hoping that someone is looking into this, or will do so.
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To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: stephen.berman@gmx.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: emacs-25 f708cb2: Clarify doc string of 'transpose-sexps'
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 12:36:32 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <da4813cd-e7a6-49cc-9f80-7b89a60ab050@default>
> > It is really not great to tell someone they "cannot" or
> > "must not" etc. do something without raising an error that
> > really enforces "cannot" etc.
>
> If someone comes up with a way to lift that restriction, we could
> remove this text from the doc string. but as long as the command
> works as it does, I think we should document that, or else we will
> have bug reports about its not meeting expectations.
I did not suggest removing the text from the doc string.
The point is that it is better if the code backs up what
the doc says, by raising an error if you try to do what
it says you cannot do.
If `C-b' at bob did not raise an error, but instead just
moved point to the end of line 42, it would be scant help
to tell users in the doc of `C-b' that you cannot use it
at bob.
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2019-04-16 22:03 Emacs buglist old bugs are spamming me now [FW: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender] Drew Adams
@ 2019-04-16 22:19 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-16 22:35 ` Óscar Fuentes
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Óscar Fuentes @ 2019-04-16 22:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Drew Adams; +Cc: stephen.berman, emacs-devel
Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:
> I've received over 50 messages like this so far today, out of the
> blue.
Less than 50 here, but same thing.
> Each has an attachment with an old bug-list message (see attachments).
>
> I'm hoping that someone is looking into this, or will do so.
It seems that the "someone" that should be looking into this is
stephen.berman@gmx.net (CCed). Those messages are all related to him.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MAILER-DAEMON@linux-tuxedo.fritz.box <MAILER-DAEMON@linux-tuxedo.fritz.box>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 2:24 PM
> To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
>
> This is the mail system at host linux-tuxedo.fritz.box.
>
> I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
> be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.
>
> For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.
>
> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
> delete your own text from the attached returned message.
>
> The mail system
>
> <steve@localhost>: mail for localhost loops back to myself
>
>
> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> Subject: RE: emacs-25 f708cb2: Clarify doc string of 'transpose-sexps'
> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> Cc: stephen.berman@gmx.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 12:36:32 -0700 (PDT) (2 years, 23 weeks, 1 day ago)
>
>> > It is really not great to tell someone they "cannot" or
>> > "must not" etc. do something without raising an error that
>> > really enforces "cannot" etc.
>>
>> If someone comes up with a way to lift that restriction, we could
>> remove this text from the doc string. but as long as the command
>> works as it does, I think we should document that, or else we will
>> have bug reports about its not meeting expectations.
>
> I did not suggest removing the text from the doc string.
>
> The point is that it is better if the code backs up what
> the doc says, by raising an error if you try to do what
> it says you cannot do.
>
> If `C-b' at bob did not raise an error, but instead just
> moved point to the end of line 42, it would be scant help
> to tell users in the doc of `C-b' that you cannot use it
> at bob.
>
> --A3C471301C7F.1555449819/linux-tuxedo.fritz.box--
> ----------
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* Re: Emacs buglist old bugs are spamming me now [FW: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender]
2019-04-16 22:19 ` Óscar Fuentes
@ 2019-04-16 22:35 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-16 23:13 ` Drew Adams
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Óscar Fuentes @ 2019-04-16 22:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es> writes:
> It seems that the "someone" that should be looking into this is
> stephen.berman@gmx.net (CCed). Those messages are all related to him.
Nevermind. His email bounces in the same way the copies we are
receiving. Guess his self-hosted mail server is misconfigured or
somesuch.
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* RE: Emacs buglist old bugs are spamming me now [FW: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender]
2019-04-16 22:35 ` Óscar Fuentes
@ 2019-04-16 23:13 ` Drew Adams
2019-04-17 19:31 ` Stephen Berman
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2019-04-16 23:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Óscar Fuentes, emacs-devel
> > It seems that the "someone" that should be looking into this is
> > stephen.berman@gmx.net (CCed). Those messages are all related to him.
>
> Nevermind. His email bounces in the same way the copies we are
> receiving. Guess his self-hosted mail server is misconfigured or
> somesuch.
Yeah, thanks for trying. And still they come...
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* Re: Emacs buglist old bugs are spamming me now [FW: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender]
2019-04-16 23:13 ` Drew Adams
@ 2019-04-17 19:31 ` Stephen Berman
2019-04-17 20:03 ` Drew Adams
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Stephen Berman @ 2019-04-17 19:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Drew Adams; +Cc: Óscar Fuentes, emacs-devel
On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 16:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:
>> > It seems that the "someone" that should be looking into this is
>> > stephen.berman@gmx.net (CCed). Those messages are all related to him.
>>
>> Nevermind. His email bounces in the same way the copies we are
>> receiving. Guess his self-hosted mail server is misconfigured or
>> somesuch.
>
> Yeah, thanks for trying. And still they come...
I'm really sorry about that, and I hope it's stopped by now. FTR, I got
a new machine and installed a new system on it, and thought I had
configured the mail server for it just as I had in earlier versions of
this system, but evidently I did something wrong. I still haven't
tracked down what the mistake was, but I've shut the server down until I
do. Again, my sincere apologies.
Steve Berman
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* RE: Emacs buglist old bugs are spamming me now [FW: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender]
2019-04-17 19:31 ` Stephen Berman
@ 2019-04-17 20:03 ` Drew Adams
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2019-04-17 20:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stephen Berman; +Cc: Óscar Fuentes, emacs-devel
> I'm really sorry about that, and I hope it's stopped by now. FTR, I got
> a new machine and installed a new system on it, and thought I had
> configured the mail server for it just as I had in earlier versions of
> this system, but evidently I did something wrong. I still haven't
> tracked down what the mistake was, but I've shut the server down until I
> do. Again, my sincere apologies.
No problem, and they stopped coming.
Thx, and good luck with the new system.
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