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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261217 Archived-At: > > What would be accessible is to provide icons for many functions and > > let users drag and drop into the toolbar. >=20 > Correct, that what I mean. But also that a toolbar icon could run a user > defined function. >=20 > My disagreement with Lars is that he wants that the determination of when= the > toolbar can be used is defined by what makes sense to the maintainers of = Emacs. >=20 > Completely wrong. A very easy start would be to provide a single button that is shown only if it has an associated binding/action, and whose action is user-defined, the value of a user option. No, that doesn't respond to all that you request (which I support, BTW). But it would seem like a zero-cost no-brainer, to at least let user get a user-defined toolbar button. And the action option could be buffer local. You'd at least get a user-definable, mode-specific button.