From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric Ludlam Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: copyright issues and derivative work (the case of matlab-mode) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 22:24:39 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87y25eq1o6.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <83r1b6om8i.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtluq046.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <83o86aokoi.fsf@gnu.org> <87h7c2pxzr.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <875ysiov7l.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39677"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.3.1 Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Uwe Brauer , Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 27 04:31:43 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mqoRD-000AAt-6n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 27 Nov 2021 04:31:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33520 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mqoRA-0003Nq-PJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2021 22:31:41 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51290) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mqoPr-0002ZU-Ps for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2021 22:30:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [2607:f8b0:4864:20::82e] (port=44692 helo=mail-qt1-x82e.google.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mqoPp-0000nm-Su; Fri, 26 Nov 2021 22:30:19 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-qt1-x82e.google.com with SMTP id a2so10678560qtx.11; Fri, 26 Nov 2021 19:30:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=message-id:date:mime-version:user-agent:subject:content-language:to :cc:references:from:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cY8Dmv9MQ+zWcq/uHO1KcWOMzMObyQajDilLwC7qszA=; b=h4QlC4h3CrcxLEG1Q9hE2T50+bk+5ZdWnRVzeCYP+EEpQvVs4lQKAlKLnJbh3uTNC/ jf7bEtTx0435iRhErPU3C7YczLHa1RuOydWJPiXrxBjL+EC4DGvk7oDn71aw8oFSI7Ic S/Q9B8rJL+nMdLzEk3Ka4j6PQNkhgOl5uE+AMFKmegfMTMQn0/NZg6HQhHRRaOOgQb/3 lnS6Cs3bcsyZ74We+VPjlPi6XS4YjBlOOrpvkSCz5f8NrszL50fmgp4SWiWuKGa7Id6y B6XqArLatPx6P02J6LXa5uhizz5bMxPhOjNMK5J8ud92y9Doc88YNz8Yokz6ZjcaQqUl uhRA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:mime-version:user-agent:subject :content-language:to:cc:references:from:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=cY8Dmv9MQ+zWcq/uHO1KcWOMzMObyQajDilLwC7qszA=; b=flHD7JuWbIQNZSZNywJonR//Ihaj2g2jAFvFHvlcT42VoOTpp21OBFh2pVh3PSdJ5K OuQGhhBaSvK/loPdE0dFcekfEjlEbXSt7ib5NLLVMAk/DyT3NXlFrr/QZ2kY5i+WrxTb b+DBaL1ewJMSVCEyc5o5PFjyDZnl3MAkzpFd/gXFZOhHD7e7kspNos72SkgY8WFaOSmr vy7Po0j917g3WhJkk5LGNcc315CAcgLXo7vTVkgrjsbAkBW7U6kNR7eqsVebiu7jRNu+ BRN6u3RbxBdGaCjuzvCVtqAxKouAzrzzRnG2ra0JfzPP5QCdBkbTxFh6rtEKpKUBwp9r b6kA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531fDsuaXkraJFxlT9hOnTruzwJoeKcAhg7dFsAlMgORulMwfE5J G9LtiiNvu19EeuQEQLKxZ6adKPYKud9EzQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx7WirhFJHV6fNpqGodpDnNjHyZwzjiL8CWOXKVv7ROQXAN9BsvfUnnbVbew1K8Jgj9/qEpkw== X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:170d:: with SMTP id az13mr26076548qkb.491.1637983480964; Fri, 26 Nov 2021 19:24:40 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.161] (pool-108-20-30-136.bstnma.fios.verizon.net. [108.20.30.136]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id j19sm4354279qkp.28.2021.11.26.19.24.40 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 26 Nov 2021 19:24:40 -0800 (PST) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <875ysiov7l.fsf@mat.ucm.es> X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2607:f8b0:4864:20::82e (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::82e; envelope-from=ericludlam@gmail.com; helo=mail-qt1-x82e.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -32 X-Spam_score: -3.3 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-1.993, PDS_HP_HELO_NORDNS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:280282 Archived-At: On 11/24/21 2:42 AM, Uwe Brauer wrote: >>>> "RS" == Richard Stallman writes: >> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] >> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] >> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] >> How, precisely, did Mathworks state that it has renounced its >> copyright on those materials? The FSF will want to see what Mathworks >> actually published or signed, and verify that that really does the job. > Very good point. Eric Ludlam who single handed maintained matlab-mode > for almost 2 decades is still working for mathworks told me (if I > remember correctly) that he was approached by some mathwork officials > discussing the matters with him. > > So he should know all the details, I put him on the CC just in case. > > @Eric could you provide us, or RMS with some details of this copyright > issue, please Hi, MathWorks has had developers contribute to other GNU projects in the past (such as my own contributions to Emacs for projects unrelated to MATLAB) so I will just need to get the standard  GNU form for myself and John C. signed to make this official.  I hadn't worried about it yet because it was unclear if we could overcome the other hurdles. Eric