From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Scot Becker Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: line-move-visual Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:08:08 +0100 Message-ID: References: <200907092112.21879.jem@iki.fi> <87ws6hupsk.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87ocrtulzd.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87tz1lja6l.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <83ocrsykx7.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1247216937 23795 80.91.229.12 (10 Jul 2009 09:08:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:08:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bastienguerry@googlemail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, jem@iki.fi, handa@m17n.org, miles@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 10 11:08:49 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MPC5l-0004jT-FC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:08:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60404 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MPC5k-0003yl-Ri for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:08:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MPC5e-0003uL-GD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:08:22 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MPC5Z-0003kJ-IJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:08:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=50259 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MPC5Z-0003jv-BE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:08:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-fx0-f215.google.com ([209.85.220.215]:33473) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MPC5R-00040Y-CP; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:08:09 -0400 Original-Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so777763fxm.42 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:08:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/e/Cmwe0UAGRYBiYetvbGEdVs7gpd8ocG3V1N+QDvG8=; b=R5EAgQPcK6T6Y9sSc+heHYWp0kNdpiaGjBabu23llOWr9F2H34TV/Y1KuiGT1eD7K9 q1QuBthy+wjexTy1pLhY4iJErPCorIaYmtIIh4v5K7Or+lWQUbZLCEPJtue7sNTvwSK2 vuQyi5eWlbXyqkY/VVwkcAdx+aqTKySfww5zI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PD/BRgM5jlVwvQoAMl349rDXYqTp+7SKiGHIts9VbaG9hOobks2IFSZs/iOzPA6JPN MmUebWoo8MjbngaDunxaE9tY78EsXUQzEwL5HtBOSS0tWabkVkB+chfYcYPq5pvPP1ZX BNYErPL53sXxbvozUhn1pmY+FMdsOjD8eLHiw= Original-Received: by 10.204.118.207 with SMTP id w15mr1705725bkq.126.1247216888316; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:08:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83ocrsykx7.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112287 Archived-At: Right. I know about "New Options" It's Good, and to my mind basically answers the OP's concern. But I wanted to shift the discussion slightly from just the 'new options' to 'significant options (new or not) for which different usage scenarios might dictate different defaults.' Of course ANY of the user configurable variables might count *to someone* as belonging to that category. But it seems that there are things that come up on this list that are genuinely (and earnestly) disputed, since multiple defaults make sense, each for a different (broad) portion of the Emacs community. These should be easier to find than they are. This then would make the agonizing issue of what the proper default should be a little less agonizing. Scot On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:43:37 +0100 >> From: Scot Becker >> Cc: miles@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, jem@iki.fi, >> =A0 =A0 =A0 Kenichi Handa >> >> Discoverability is key. =A0This could be done through a customize >> interface, as Stephen suggests or simply through a piece of startup >> documentation called "Things you might want to tweak." > > We already have a feature that is close to that: > > =A0Options->Customize Emacs->New Options > > It asks for an old version, and presents a Customize buffer with all > options changed or introduced since that version. >