From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: How to restore the layout? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:161728 Archived-At: > > Interesting. I hadn't played with f11 before. FWIW (curiosity only, > > probably): Using my frame-movement commands I see something different: > > I can move the maximized frame >=20 > F11 should make the frame fullscreen, not maximized. OK, but isn't one difference that fullscreen does not include borders (including title bar)? That is what I see here: no borders. I thought that fullscreen might also mean that, like maximized, you cannot move the frame (it is "pinned" to the screen). Is this the behavior to be expected, that you can move a fullscreen frame around and resize it (so it is, in effect, no longer "full screen"? To be clear, I don't care, a priori, either way; I'm just reporting what I see, in case it helps. > > around normally, and thus can see that the frame > > borders, including the title bar, have indeed been dropped (there are > > none). >=20 > Here I can't move such frames using the mouse. IIUC mouse-dragging is > suppressed (by Windows) for maximized frames. Fullscreen frames don't > have borders/title bars so they can't be dragged for obvious resons. OK. I wasn't mentioning the mouse, but that's good to know, I guess. > > I can also resize the maximized frame (again, using frame-cmds.el > > commands) horizontally any amount. But I can shrink it vertically onl= y > > one line, for some reason. > > > > I also did not realize that the same holds for a frame maximized by > > clicking the Windows maximize icon/button in the title bar: I can move > > it around and resize it. And in this case, unlike the case after > > maximizing with f11, there is no limit to shrinking vertically. >=20 > Programmatically you should be able to move any frame. It will become > demaximized/defullscreenified in the course, I presume. Whatever that last sentence might mean (in terms of effect; the English is clear). The frame still has the same "full-screen" appearance (e.g., no borders); it simply is not "full screen" (in a naive sense). Note, BTW, that with MS Windows you cannot move or resize a maximized windo= w. Dunno about "programmatically", but you cannot do so using the "System Menu= ", which is the way Windows users recuperate a stray window. Menu items such as `Move' are disabled for a maximized frame.