From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Davis Herring <herring@lanl.gov>
Cc: Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: [found the culprit]
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 13:21:00 -0800 (PST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <e0d1b55a-be8a-432a-b313-abcdf7d719fe@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <40f8adf8-52a7-957b-db95-06df4d131b21@lanl.gov>
> > `Z' should be its own inverse.
>
> This is a reasonable principle, but there is a reason to deviate from
> it here. The uncompressed tar format is so rarely used (partly because of
> the lack of actual tape drives, and partly because of change in the
> relative cost of CPU cycles and storage space) that having a convenient
> key to get _to_ it is unimportant. The unpacked and compressed-tar
> states, however, are both deserving of such a key. Therefore, whatever
> behavior (unpack or compress) we choose to apply to a .tar will not be
> inverted by a second Z -- because the initial state is presumed to be
> undesirable.
>
> For example, on some machines I use, "git archive" cannot produce
> compressed archives. Having Z compress its raw .tar output would be,
> to me, a useful way of working around that limitation. But other users
> might prefer that Z unpack a .tar -- and then repack the resulting
> (hopefully single) directory into a .tgz.
>
> Could Z query for which behavior to use in this (rare) case? That
> would provide an intuitive reason why a second Z would not necessarily
> reverse the process. (The query could even say so explicitly if it helped.)
It sounds like you are arguing for `Z' to in fact be
its own inverse, and in the case of tar.gz and .tgz
to consider, as Stefan suggested, that that's the
inverse state from extracted (un(tarred+compressed)).
And you are saying (again, like Stefan), that the
plain tar case is now an outlier, so it can be
ignored, at least by `Z'. That's OK by me. Maybe
we should have a (new) separate command that deals
with plain tars (creation and production from tar.gz),
and perhaps that command needs no key.
I don't have a problem with that, if that's the state
of the real use cases now.
A zip archive, like a tar, need not contain a directory.
It sounds like both could be handled the same way.
If that leaves some tar cases out in the cold then they
can perhaps be warmed up with a new command.
And we can maybe get updated doc and a NEWS entry... ;-)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-11-14 21:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-11-13 13:18 tgz extension and dired-do-compress Uwe Brauer
2018-11-13 17:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-13 18:15 ` Uwe Brauer
2018-11-14 12:07 ` [emacs -q versus empty .emacs file] (was: tgz extension and dired-do-compress) Uwe Brauer
2018-11-14 12:12 ` [found the culprit] (was: [emacs -q versus empty .emacs file]) Uwe Brauer
2018-11-14 13:15 ` Noam Postavsky
2018-11-14 13:50 ` [found the culprit] Uwe Brauer
2018-11-14 15:43 ` [found the culprit] (was: [emacs -q versus empty .emacs file]) Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-14 15:49 ` [found the culprit] Uwe Brauer
2018-11-14 16:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-14 16:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-14 16:57 ` Uwe Brauer
2018-11-14 17:31 ` Drew Adams
2018-11-14 18:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-14 19:58 ` Drew Adams
2018-11-14 20:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-14 20:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-14 19:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-14 20:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-14 21:01 ` jpff
2018-11-16 6:45 ` Van L
2018-11-16 0:51 ` [found the culprit] (was: [emacs -q versus empty .emacs file]) Richard Stallman
2018-11-14 12:21 ` [emacs -q versus empty .emacs file] (was: tgz extension and dired-do-compress) Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-14 13:16 ` [emacs -q versus empty .emacs file] Uwe Brauer
[not found] ` <<87tvkjq2mh.fsf_-_@mat.ucm.es>
[not found] ` <<834lcj8y1f.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-11-14 16:17 ` [found the culprit] (was: [emacs -q versus empty .emacs file]) Drew Adams
2018-11-14 16:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-14 16:48 ` [found the culprit] Stefan Monnier
2018-11-14 17:22 ` Drew Adams
2018-11-14 18:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-14 19:40 ` Drew Adams
2018-11-14 20:33 ` Davis Herring
2018-11-14 21:21 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2018-11-15 2:34 ` Mike Kupfer
2018-11-16 0:55 ` Richard Stallman
2018-11-16 2:24 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-11-16 7:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-16 13:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-16 22:59 ` Richard Stallman
2018-11-16 16:17 ` Drew Adams
2018-11-16 23:01 ` Richard Stallman
2018-11-17 8:04 ` Yuri Khan
2018-11-18 0:24 ` Richard Stallman
2018-11-17 1:05 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-11-16 23:01 ` Richard Stallman
2018-11-17 7:42 ` Yuri Khan
2018-11-15 4:57 ` [found the culprit] (was: [emacs -q versus empty .emacs file]) Yuri Khan
2018-11-15 9:46 ` [found the culprit] Andreas Schwab
2018-11-15 15:21 ` Yuri Khan
[not found] ` <<<87tvkjq2mh.fsf_-_@mat.ucm.es>
[not found] ` <<<834lcj8y1f.fsf@gnu.org>
[not found] ` <<f0a3a374-d8ac-45b6-8de6-0e8ccc0ea696@default>
[not found] ` <<83y39v7gym.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-11-14 17:10 ` [found the culprit] (was: [emacs -q versus empty .emacs file]) Drew Adams
[not found] <<875zx1xgiq.fsf@mat.ucm.es>
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