From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: d-s-m default: Nil + explanation! (was: d-s-m default) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 05:22:02 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87sk7pzqsp.fsf@ambire.localdomain> <8739zps45s.fsf@mean.albasani.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269490957 21221 80.91.229.12 (25 Mar 2010 04:22:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 04:22:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Memnon Anon Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 25 05:22:33 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NueaX-0000Os-8F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 05:22:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56765 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NueaW-0000lA-KW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 00:22:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NueaR-0000kT-Ru for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 00:22:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=56778 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NueaQ-0000jr-Iw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 00:22:27 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NueaP-00026d-5B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 00:22:26 -0400 Original-Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.157]:12593) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NueaP-00026L-06 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 00:22:25 -0400 Original-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so2036196fga.12 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:22:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=dgbIx6rBBatkAtiLHrMTmbptm0FtYIQ7bwsIFwkVo/s=; b=B4KGjsjsDWwfiuHM+8c1hveJYxBAnncA7qIbnK+R+KnkahZj5YQYsQYyqbf8y+iBQs b1nBTFud+ci63UAQBKRf0rv455Jp2ZyqrjE3EoXzVkj8Iofc4bye3QXnlVdc0AnBkaJ/ v63EBskcmuTOKRvDMUcKI/HndsCOyeGCtrHcI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=GhO0qy9Rim5C4An5/jLWhWcuDWsu50UBv0/Zqlw4UPRKJ3v4/y672mmWRisFqNu3le eQjeJHox44qWcmVjBccEXvSm2E8eznw8xz3FPAD4bxPYPmzD0HJTUwVTA7nKn2YP+iSG 6LqPyQ46q8N48JByWlctjCE1r42GF3xXAmF8A= Original-Received: by 10.239.137.11 with SMTP id j11mr801070hbj.177.1269490943139; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:22:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8739zps45s.fsf@mean.albasani.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122635 Archived-At: On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Memnon Anon wrote: > Hi, > > I wanted to give a small explanation, why I think Nil is the better > default. Thanks for giving your opinion. > I think changing to D-S-M as a default is throwing dust into the eyes of > the new users: Emacs is different. And without a minimal willingness to > read the documentation, one will certainly fail. I see no reason that they should have to read something before they can do even the simplest editing. I believe many potential new users will just move on if they have to start that way. They do not want to waste time for such simple things before they know it might be worth it. > In fact, *imho* the fact that so many (new) users are complaining is an > indication for a gap in the documentation. I think they are complaining that it takes to much time to just get started. When they want to do something special their willingness to read is probably much higher.