From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: redisplay system of emacs Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 20:03:47 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4B633B7C.8030700@gmx.de> <4B65B180.5010202@gmx.de> <87ock8pb21.fsf@xemacs.org> <874olzowzq.fsf@xemacs.org> <87pr4m2ptm.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87r5p29nfr.fsf@telefonica.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1265223860 6150 80.91.229.12 (3 Feb 2010 19:04:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 19:04:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 03 20:04:17 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NckWM-0002c6-1S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:04:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59588 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NckWL-00046a-EY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:04:13 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NckWI-00046H-1b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:04:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52563 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NckWH-000469-Nm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:04:09 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NckWG-0003oS-Rr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:04:09 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-fx0-f215.google.com ([209.85.220.215]:62506) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NckWG-0003oO-Iu; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:04:08 -0500 Original-Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so1790028fxm.8 for ; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 11:04:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=W8eyDqJCvItEL/LXGml4PzH9vnO0KSiteWbBA75FplU=; b=HlhQyAPlD07YUie9eci44o8Wpwwagres54P0XX/OILDgosb8zaHaDahjF+sKxIcKjq vd2P9NV+GMOy4FRTEN+xdEOAj50fSMkoejU0X9ZRSB/4Txj1F1j9muUpWyZz0bd2oqAs Vfu0rzrcwP5c5hgyDjsLJ8szn6Lw0hphcCB9o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=b+bF10jd1PJfLm/hl8TRJbaRMbAnbRr73K0xWzgV8W2+Y1GRvPysvLhjGj3wXE8SLc CsFPGYA2CgiVfzbaCbCe+qJRlDiNcua+WP3SzOUSvMQ8DRHZn/fInUWRVI3CGY9VeGIw kWjLVlpHcZUG32LEzkgOwdRZpq9tUayhv9wEs= Original-Received: by 10.239.187.66 with SMTP id k2mr493668hbh.213.1265223847263; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 11:04:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87r5p29nfr.fsf@telefonica.net> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:120871 Archived-At: On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:36 PM, =C3=93scar Fuentes wrote: > "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > > [snip] > >> "Open source" is >> based on an economic argument that software freedom is profitable. > > About this specific topic, is there any serious economic analysis of > Free Software? Because it is not clear to me that some people would get > the software they need on the world envisioned by the FSF. I do not know of any, but it is an interesting subject. Doing a reasonable economic analysis is difficult and it seems like it often fails. Compare for example todays news: 37 miljon US citizens need economic help to get the most basic food they need. Something must be utterly wrong in an economic analysis that leads to such a situation. To me the important factor to analys today is redistribution because that is where the market economy fails. Redistribution means redistribution of power. Economic power. Political power. Power to tell about experiences. I think for some of us there is an ethical problem that when trying to help with free software we can't avoid also helping those we think is fighting against freedom. But it is the net effect that counts in the end. An economical analysis should look upon that. I could go on writing about this, but I guess it would be uninteresting here ... ;-)