From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs for new users Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:01:07 +0100 Message-ID: References: <912155b0911230837i48326730m82e0d54d4004be59@mail.gmail.com> <4p4rt6-2ne.ln1@lesharris.com> <87vdh19cls.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <877ht7bp21.fsf@kobe.laptop> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1259622128 13556 80.91.229.12 (30 Nov 2009 23:02:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Giorgos Keramidas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 01 00:02:01 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NFFFT-0008H6-3m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:01:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33993 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NFFFS-0000Kh-J9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:01:38 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NFFFM-0000KU-PX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:01:32 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NFFFI-0000Jz-8f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:01:32 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38741 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NFFFI-0000Jw-2n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:01:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-yw0-f172.google.com ([209.85.211.172]:45173) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NFFFH-0005pS-KL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:01:27 -0500 Original-Received: by ywh2 with SMTP id 2so3859356ywh.27 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:01:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=NcOdS1M+bM9N2X624lWNY33Ux+YqXek1uaaJWNEfz3o=; b=fboH1Xw/VpAqThuyUGYJWcNEYwXjkRkGO9JzuInwWRbFIkf+NWfw15GztGuPrTR4tu M/QF1Am61hjz/lapio+6RMMqRIfbsL/gHZr85JyoMjZNBaoQXQNQ7r9B09KU+VQoog8k g3IiZJi+t+4BIj8NpC5riYU/HwQW3+agxh/oI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wgvtGXLD1njyZjvRox72lZPHwkTdhwAAJPOqPNb0D0Krrzgn8DzaCbJSrGqoMSF8lm 0y+AclRa7v9FAeRNbr28xYNowodyHm4hMSSOqT8z9bzsI+UNGJKaO7hTLLeYW0NUWMIg eNCEmujx+Cgw6z/T8hBOTSsFuCYCSG2/0iqlI= Original-Received: by 10.101.133.27 with SMTP id k27mr2145870ann.74.1259622087084; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:01:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <877ht7bp21.fsf@kobe.laptop> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:118007 Archived-At: On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:04:47 -0500, Chong Yidong = wrote: >>Lennart Borgman writes: >>>> With that said, I think a solution to the learning-emacs-in-classroom = and >>>> emacs-for-new-users problems is the same: include a .emacs which turns >>>> on things like CUA mode to make operation more familiar. >>> >>> The problem is that it does not work as good as it could in all >>> situations. Since CUA is not the default not so much effort in >>> getting rid of all ruogh things. Not that you can't work around them, >>> but it is not so easy for a newcomer. >> >> The primary barrier to CUA is that it destroys the long-established >> standard that C-c LETTER is free for binding to Emacs user commands. >> >> So we won't be moving to CUA any time soon. =C2=A0For those that want it= , >> it's just a click away on the Options menu. > > CUA also interferes in a non-trivial manner with `C-x', which is used > far more often than `C-c'. =C2=A0I am always annoyed a bit when I start > typing `C-x C-f' but pause half-way through to think of a good name for > a new buffer, only to notice that a region has just been killed. =C2=A0Oo= ps! Yes, this is a problem. However you can start the key sequence C-S-x and C-S-c (instead of C-x and C-s) when the region is highlighted to avoid cutting/copying.