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From: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: per@starback.se, rms@gnu.org, Stephen Eilert <spedrosa@gmail.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs for new users
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:40:54 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e01d8a50911241140p43551b23id526401273003609@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <C4007FED9FA944CF9F82FC41725F93D6@us.oracle.com>

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:
>
> Maybe. (How do they know what they want or need wrt _learning Emacs_?)
>
> But is that what we want for them? Who is in a better position to design Emacs
> to help new users, new users themselves or people familiar with Emacs (and with
> new-user reports)?
>
> Someone with no experience of Emacs might have certain expectations and a
> certain idea of text editing. But those expectations and that idea do not
> necessarily correspond to what Emacs is or to how best to use Emacs.


We discussed this at length some years ago. My point is that it is
much easier to learn something if the complexity is not to high at the
moment. (It should not be too low either.)

Compare games like Brain Workshop for example. You actually seem to
train your brain into a better mode with it. Some people get
incredible results (at least to my standards) and I believe that comes
from that the complexity is just a little bit more than they can do.
Not more. Not less.

Is not Emacs after all meant to be a brain exercise? ;-)




  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-24 19:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-23 16:37 Emacs for new users Per Starbäck
2009-11-23 16:59 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2009-11-23 18:47   ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-23 20:49     ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-26 22:35       ` Beeping (was: Emacs for new users) Juri Linkov
2009-11-26 23:12         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-27  4:12           ` Beeping Stefan Monnier
2009-11-27  6:48             ` Beeping Lennart Borgman
2009-11-27 19:25               ` Beeping Stefan Monnier
2009-11-27 20:25                 ` Beeping Lennart Borgman
2009-11-27 23:12                   ` Beeping Stefan Monnier
2009-11-27 23:15                     ` Beeping Lennart Borgman
2009-11-28  1:49                       ` Beeping Stefan Monnier
2009-11-28  2:47                         ` Beeping Lennart Borgman
2009-11-23 17:05 ` Emacs for new users Stephen Eilert
2009-11-24 14:10   ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-24 14:43     ` Renaud Casenave-Péré
2009-11-24 16:10       ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-25 21:01       ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-30 23:02       ` Giorgos Keramidas
2009-11-24 15:51     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-24 16:41       ` Drew Adams
2009-11-24 17:15         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-24 17:27           ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-24 17:35             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-24 17:51             ` Deniz Dogan
2009-11-24 18:37               ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-24 18:03           ` Drew Adams
2009-11-24 18:06             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-24 18:22               ` Drew Adams
2009-11-24 18:30                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-24 19:35                   ` Drew Adams
2009-11-24 19:40                     ` Lennart Borgman [this message]
2009-11-25 21:02           ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-25 21:04             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-25 21:57             ` Fernando C.V.
2009-11-25 22:05               ` Drew Adams
2009-11-25 22:27                 ` Fernando C.V.
2009-11-25 22:34                   ` Drew Adams
2009-11-26  6:23               ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-23 18:56 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-23 19:35   ` Les Harris
2009-11-23 20:28     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-23 21:04       ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-23 21:16         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-23 21:56           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-23 22:05             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-30 22:55         ` Giorgos Keramidas
2009-11-30 23:01           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-01  9:13           ` Deniz Dogan
2009-12-01 10:13             ` Miles Bader
2010-11-13 19:14               ` separating CUA rectangles from CUA selection mode [was: Emacs for new users] Drew Adams
2009-11-23 21:16     ` Emacs for new users Stephen Eilert
2009-11-23 22:06       ` Per Starbäck
2009-11-23 22:43         ` Per Starbäck
2009-11-23 22:46           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-23 23:55           ` Sebastian Rose
2009-11-24  6:43           ` tomas

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