From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs for new users Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:06:39 +0100 Message-ID: References: <912155b0911230837i48326730m82e0d54d4004be59@mail.gmail.com> <485b0c380911230905t6513e718w1dd804e18003228@mail.gmail.com> <6E092AF13796494BADEBCE2C5C0361CE@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1259086951 7199 80.91.229.12 (24 Nov 2009 18:22:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:22:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: per@starback.se, rms@gnu.org, Stephen Eilert , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 24 19:22:23 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1ND01u-0007vX-AG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:22:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56612 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ND01t-0003P9-PU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:22:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NCznA-0007YZ-5U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:07:08 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NCzn5-0007VE-8z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:07:07 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=59114 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NCzn5-0007Uw-3X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:07:03 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-yw0-f172.google.com ([209.85.211.172]:35700) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NCzn2-0005YJ-5B; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:07:00 -0500 Original-Received: by ywh2 with SMTP id 2so6922854ywh.27 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:06:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=mHrQD4vEG/fJj81YbcLxGmSROUpYxKBexBGk4AqtjpE=; b=B8J54d5Rd4RAdn2H6aYkIY7354d2dn34bl41P/dR/yV/Q2+GXaQSexx2xzJJdNGFxi qC8xrOMOoal8Mp7MmiGB16sb60V51C6CbAqzwi7lQIhU0CU7+vGzASD3Arme0Q8u0fYb bDqiKIZ6kwrRLHAUlVqRyTYU1yy9dqJeSTHtQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=l0lG1DKosLwPBtp6KtCvgXUisKWsjKqlffGFtHTWiKxGtM0CF6R/K5lyUHt64K0Ujb H+yjjLYeObGvOGH2PC7ZwbDrQP0T6ra7pIvQNva/2e4V41BZWfpd4PIxcrxCvRVRlBBR 7d6icgz8ZvBVdgzHoXfKO4yzZ/qGSrB9yqrog= Original-Received: by 10.101.4.22 with SMTP id g22mr4939888ani.40.1259086019317; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:06:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117696 Archived-At: On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Drew Adams wrote: > > I do not want to see minibuffer inputting become something strictly modal that > locks you into some restricted dialog. Users should be able to go anywhere and > do pretty much anything while the minibuffer is active. I said for new users. > It seems like you are thinking of the minibuffer in a very restricted way, akin > to modal dialog box. It is not modal in that way and should not be. Maybe it seems like that but I don't. However I am not at all sure what states you can get into when you leave minibuffer. What is allowed and what is not? Are you sure?