From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs for new users Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:16:35 +0100 Message-ID: References: <912155b0911230837i48326730m82e0d54d4004be59@mail.gmail.com> <4p4rt6-2ne.ln1@lesharris.com> <87vdh19cls.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1259012203 19809 80.91.229.12 (23 Nov 2009 21:36:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:36:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Les Harris , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 23 22:36:36 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NCgaD-0000pd-Ok for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:36:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41122 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NCgaD-0003D6-3l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:36:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NCgHP-0005fb-7M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:17:03 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NCgHJ-0005bl-Kl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:17:02 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33127 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NCgHI-0005bX-Uy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:16:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-yw0-f172.google.com ([209.85.211.172]:52124) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NCgHH-0000U9-Uh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:16:56 -0500 Original-Received: by ywh2 with SMTP id 2so6013450ywh.27 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:16:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=OSNpPRm6PPO84SXubN5IWXuR819gg8cwU8r5t54a6kI=; b=Y4avjhPtmo/ceKj5ouA43FJPMi44DR6qz8KAIHgtTMHTXLCHoXvpvr+6e5YlGCIDw0 KrmmlL/chmErzoNI3pe8O0+FVCfqJ8kmPQm/+sWD+F/Xr0LKvjKIsAxUR3juVemFNWg+ 3DbRaEKxVisNfUD7jY5TknAm0kUTgDZk+UhS4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fT44cS9P9+A5RHxQAC6apr7U5yCzEkf3caPK7D7elETOIA9mvz0PyY1iPownW4KKGh P8NKWtSqzcTWSlBIR5bkE8mAVkI6Et0uUdtM2jwJex56Xz20kWA33eGTjJYo4LisQj/6 mjorvbnL7owJDHrGjLFBQyGg0ja33Ia4oK6LU= Original-Received: by 10.101.115.4 with SMTP id s4mr4267408anm.81.1259011015065; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:16:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87vdh19cls.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117627 Archived-At: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Chong Yidong wrot= e: > Lennart Borgman writes: > >>> With that said, I think a solution to the learning-emacs-in-classroom a= nd >>> emacs-for-new-users problems is the same: include a .emacs which turns >>> on things like CUA mode to make operation more familiar. >> >> The problem is that it does not work as good as it could in all >> situations. Since CUA is not the default not so much effort in getting >> rid of all ruogh things. Not that you can't work around them, but it >> is not so easy for a newcomer. > > The primary barrier to CUA is that it destroys the long-established > standard that C-c LETTER is free for binding to Emacs user commands. > > So we won't be moving to CUA any time soon. =C2=A0For those that want it, > it's just a click away on the Options menu. Yes, I am aware of the situation. It is still just as unfortunate however. Putting cua-mode on the menus was a good step towards making it easier for newcommers. Could we perhaps also apply my patches that shows C-c, C-x etc on the edit menu when cua-mode is on?