From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How Firefox shows characters missing in font Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 21:35:29 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4A4F8980.4090706@gnu.org> <4A4FADD6.6080604@harpegolden.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1246736153 23490 80.91.229.12 (4 Jul 2009 19:35:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:35:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel devel , Jason Rumney To: David De La Harpe Golden Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 04 21:35:46 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MNB1V-0007af-SY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:35:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56605 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MNB1V-0006Uo-Bn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:35:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MNB1P-0006Rq-SY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:35:39 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MNB1K-0006Re-BH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:35:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52835 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MNB1K-0006Rb-4D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:35:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com ([209.85.220.217]:54708) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MNB1H-0007mE-Nr; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:35:31 -0400 Original-Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so2630640fxm.42 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:35:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2GC17hsYP7czmtmY1C2IrdqkYSiuYIESkZE2Rel2U+E=; b=mCybXdrTyQSzx10j8vCpNVEKBbAXoWPhx/eL8WyvwJ2hru7Lq8nSt21NtUjkdsh10+ cBqX33D6aIM43QY6ddDoldnVen+j2+b4bAoZTwJs4BmqBbfjC6Recqw1o/5R/Rn8/7Nz WUWyyRXviVI+SQTU9J7KjB67njOIrl9wwVsvo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Z5jeX1MYJJiJ8zL4GiwgeWfp32UfZfmkX6CaJD1J35rkzBXjUvo1KCoLu3y1IWXY2H lRjayB0Gj5wQmvWkSfJIq6j/n2IYBBwNvrZ7bs350iZdGr2fOOXm6QV5+lBllNqOVrPA 1yNCPPc1/ICp8qcQ1MnT5lsZZwZLeo6HjV/kI= Original-Received: by 10.239.133.69 with SMTP id 5mr203736hbu.4.1246736129610; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:35:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A4FADD6.6080604@harpegolden.net> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112021 Archived-At: On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 9:30 PM, David De La Harpe Golden wrote: > >> It doesn't do anything. I includes only BMP (with private area) which >> if I understand it correctly only is 0000 - ffff. >> > > the sil font in particular, yeah. > >> But I know nothing about this. Which other pars are most important? On >> wikipedia I see they divide it in 8 ranges (with one big unassigned >> range). It looks like this could perhaps be handled in some way by for >> example colors. >> > > Shrug, or just use six hexdigits when there's room (only try for 6 for fo= r > chars outside the BMP, users can guess that if there's only 4, it's from = the > BMP, and for that matter perhaps if there's only 2 it's from the 8-bit > range...) > > =C2=A0You only need 3x5 pixels for quite legible hex, and IMO you can kin= da make > out stylised 3x4 too, at least in context. =C2=A0Subpixel rendering might= help in > some cases. =C2=A0And anyway, anyone really interested can ask emacs to d= escribe > the character, hex helps show > there are missing glyphs and that they're distinct - a row of > empty boxes could just be some missing line drawing glyphs, a row > of distinct hex-filled boxes is probably foreign script. > > Cramming in 6 hex digits as 2x3 will be possible in a lot of cases on mod= ern > displays I reckon - anyone using a font size working out bigger than 10x2= 0 > pixels or so (as attached for 3x4 stylised hexdigits). Would not that be much more work when using the existing "SIL Unicode BMP Fallback Font"?