From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:22:09 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87eiudewtq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <831vqdubqy.fsf@gnu.org> <6161f3180905270548t3012bc1ah161719ae01db0fb5@mail.gmail.com> <87prdpky0x.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <18979.1249.47148.538392@rgr.rgrjr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243848168 6251 80.91.229.12 (1 Jun 2009 09:22:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Bob Rogers , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 01 11:22:46 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MB3j7-00012c-Th for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:22:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46192 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MB3j7-0007zS-0H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:22:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MB3ik-0007t4-1k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:22:18 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MB3if-0007qD-AG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:22:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38693 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MB3if-0007q4-2T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:22:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-bw0-f161.google.com ([209.85.218.161]:39093) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MB3id-0007aY-GU; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:22:12 -0400 Original-Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so8142619bwz.42 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 02:22:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=E15Rqw4NZD5MaQnSp8ksDrUm7tLx3+7Jt0Lk6KrwsQA=; b=vhDz7rXTO5zfDz4UwsIpW7H8CZuABIHsgg0WJPY015If/7JMpDHUocFgj6j07e6fZp M0ccoQS9le2MjYmMPYAKEN8NMAMch2PJAVpiqXhUYSnTBcsatb0kyC8Vzu+DWK51rFu2 d4v4g38Ti7IlIk1H00uyy+abr1DEoA7gc9qBY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=H7Z4MWG4ifcBH3C6cE18ADBfqrhYbyuS4B4R5cic6SLb3NKP5lG1/edVEiqlfY1Gt/ NfqJDfXz1DkGRecOKezJzSNrasyIEVEZiaJW9mot6uPCg4+e3pTDwfhVdiB8lHGfg2Da GNbW1SyAzdJ9jqsO06NC6D+KSSNr63j/zYdE8= Original-Received: by 10.239.156.146 with SMTP id m18mr414185hbc.24.1243848129627; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 02:22:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111238 Archived-At: On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 4:33 AM, Miles Bader wrote: > Bob Rogers writes: >> Why do you suppose an Emacs newbie would expect the arrow keys to be the >> same as C-n/C-p? > Having them be "similar but subtly different" horribly confuses an > otherwise straight-forward association. I do not think that is true for something that you use as often as those keys.