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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Paul Pogonyshev <pogonyshev@gmail.com>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Arbitrary function: find the number(s) of expected arguments
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 09:35:20 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <df390197-e2d6-4b4f-befc-6098b5e4a7c7@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAG7Bpaq0SOM8A1-cgsZsh-avCPh_yaUxFZda-qXdSzQDLTpGcA@mail.gmail.com>

>  `subr-arity' is still in the documentation, but I replaced its
> description with an advice to use `func-arity' instead.

Again, that is wrong, IMO.

IIUC, you _cannot_ use `func-arity' to test whether something
is a subr.  You can use `subr_arity' to give you the arity of
a subr AND to raise an error if the argument is not a subr.
The latter behavior is not available in `func-arity'.

The proper doc for `subr-arity' is to say what it _does_,
including that it raises an error for non-subr arg.  Its doc
can, and should, refer to `func-arity', but only as a way to
test the arity of _any_ function - not as a recommended
replacement for `subr-arity'.

IOW, I am repeating the same argument I made before, when
I said that `subr-arity' should not be deprecated and
simply replaced by `func-arity'.

If my argument is being rejected (in effect - in the new doc
string) then why are we not doing that openly (deprecating
`subr-arity' and replacing it with `func-arity')?

Either `func-arity' is a proper replacement for `subr-arity'
or it is not.  (I think it is not.)  If it is, then replace
it properly.

In addition, the new doc string for `subr-arity' also suffers
from making readers work extra hard.  They need to refer to
the doc of `func-arity', not only for the general description
of the behavior and each of the parameters, but also to
understand the difference wrt symbol indirection.

This is a step backward.  Unless we are really deprecating
and replacing it, we should document `subr-arity' properly,
as before, with the addition of cross-ref to see `func-arity',
stating that it handles any type of function.

IOW, if you want the arity of an arbitrary function, you can
use `func-arity' to get that.  That's all.



  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-25 16:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-15 18:48 Arbitrary function: find the number(s) of expected arguments Paul Pogonyshev
2016-03-15 22:45 ` Davis Herring
2016-03-16  7:41   ` Paul Pogonyshev
2016-03-19 12:26     ` Paul Pogonyshev
2016-03-19 13:10       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 13:42         ` Paul Pogonyshev
2016-03-19 13:54         ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-19 14:08           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 15:20             ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-19 15:43               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 15:57                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-19 16:24                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 17:43                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-19 17:50                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 17:59                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-19 18:14                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 16:14                 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-03-19 16:27                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-19 16:27                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 16:30                     ` Philipp Stephani
2016-03-19 16:32                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 16:34                         ` Philipp Stephani
2016-03-19 16:46                           ` Philipp Stephani
2016-03-19 16:47                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 17:16                             ` Philipp Stephani
2016-03-19 17:48                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 17:49                                 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-03-19 18:11                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 18:35                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-04-18 23:02                 ` Davis Herring
2016-03-19 19:52         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-19 20:33           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 22:43             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-26 15:55           ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-03-26 17:20             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-19 14:26       ` Philipp Stephani
2016-03-19 16:51         ` Paul Pogonyshev
2016-03-19 18:09           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 19:32             ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-19 19:39               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 20:59                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-21 18:36             ` Paul Pogonyshev
2016-03-25  8:44               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-25 16:16                 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2016-03-25 16:35                   ` Drew Adams [this message]
2016-03-25 17:16                     ` Paul Pogonyshev
2016-03-25 18:19                       ` Drew Adams
2016-03-25 18:28                         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-25 18:51                           ` Use plain-text for mail [was: Arbitrary function: find the number(s) of expected arguments] Drew Adams
2016-03-25 18:57                             ` Use plain-text for mail [ Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-25 19:49                               ` Andreas Schwab
2016-03-26  1:12                             ` Use plain-text for mail [was: Arbitrary function: find the number(s) of expected arguments] Yuri Khan
2016-03-25 17:39                     ` Arbitrary function: find the number(s) of expected arguments Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-25 18:31                       ` Drew Adams
2016-03-26  8:27                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-26 11:42                     ` Paul Pogonyshev
2016-04-02  9:48                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]           ` <<83y49e731p.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-03-19 19:21             ` Drew Adams
2016-04-18 18:43               ` Davis Herring
2016-03-16  3:47 ` Stefan Monnier

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