From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Paul Pogonyshev <pogonyshev@gmail.com>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Arbitrary function: find the number(s) of expected arguments
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 09:35:20 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <df390197-e2d6-4b4f-befc-6098b5e4a7c7@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAG7Bpaq0SOM8A1-cgsZsh-avCPh_yaUxFZda-qXdSzQDLTpGcA@mail.gmail.com>
> `subr-arity' is still in the documentation, but I replaced its
> description with an advice to use `func-arity' instead.
Again, that is wrong, IMO.
IIUC, you _cannot_ use `func-arity' to test whether something
is a subr. You can use `subr_arity' to give you the arity of
a subr AND to raise an error if the argument is not a subr.
The latter behavior is not available in `func-arity'.
The proper doc for `subr-arity' is to say what it _does_,
including that it raises an error for non-subr arg. Its doc
can, and should, refer to `func-arity', but only as a way to
test the arity of _any_ function - not as a recommended
replacement for `subr-arity'.
IOW, I am repeating the same argument I made before, when
I said that `subr-arity' should not be deprecated and
simply replaced by `func-arity'.
If my argument is being rejected (in effect - in the new doc
string) then why are we not doing that openly (deprecating
`subr-arity' and replacing it with `func-arity')?
Either `func-arity' is a proper replacement for `subr-arity'
or it is not. (I think it is not.) If it is, then replace
it properly.
In addition, the new doc string for `subr-arity' also suffers
from making readers work extra hard. They need to refer to
the doc of `func-arity', not only for the general description
of the behavior and each of the parameters, but also to
understand the difference wrt symbol indirection.
This is a step backward. Unless we are really deprecating
and replacing it, we should document `subr-arity' properly,
as before, with the addition of cross-ref to see `func-arity',
stating that it handles any type of function.
IOW, if you want the arity of an arbitrary function, you can
use `func-arity' to get that. That's all.
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Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-03-15 18:48 Arbitrary function: find the number(s) of expected arguments Paul Pogonyshev
2016-03-15 22:45 ` Davis Herring
2016-03-16 7:41 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2016-03-19 12:26 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2016-03-19 13:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 13:42 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2016-03-19 13:54 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-19 14:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 15:20 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-19 15:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 15:57 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-19 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 17:43 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-19 17:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 17:59 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-19 18:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 16:14 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-03-19 16:27 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-19 16:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 16:30 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-03-19 16:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 16:34 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-03-19 16:46 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-03-19 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 17:16 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-03-19 17:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 17:49 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-03-19 18:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 18:35 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-04-18 23:02 ` Davis Herring
2016-03-19 19:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-19 20:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 22:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-26 15:55 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-03-26 17:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-19 14:26 ` Philipp Stephani
2016-03-19 16:51 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2016-03-19 18:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 19:32 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-19 19:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-19 20:59 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-21 18:36 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2016-03-25 8:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-25 16:16 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2016-03-25 16:35 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2016-03-25 17:16 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2016-03-25 18:19 ` Drew Adams
2016-03-25 18:28 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-25 18:51 ` Use plain-text for mail [was: Arbitrary function: find the number(s) of expected arguments] Drew Adams
2016-03-25 18:57 ` Use plain-text for mail [ Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-25 19:49 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-03-26 1:12 ` Use plain-text for mail [was: Arbitrary function: find the number(s) of expected arguments] Yuri Khan
2016-03-25 17:39 ` Arbitrary function: find the number(s) of expected arguments Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-25 18:31 ` Drew Adams
2016-03-26 8:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-26 11:42 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2016-04-02 9:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2016-03-19 19:21 ` Drew Adams
2016-04-18 18:43 ` Davis Herring
2016-03-16 3:47 ` Stefan Monnier
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