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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264684 Archived-At: > The maintenance overhead will double if we assume that pgtk will > impose the same burden as GTK3 -- is the a reason to make that > assumption? It's not very clear to me how many people tested the pgtk branch under X so far. Here I get occasional crashes and strange artifacts but no simple, presentable scenario yet. So it's too early to tell, I suppose. > But yes, we will need to keep the GTK3 code at least in Emacs 28. If > pgtk turns out to be relatively problem-free and similar enough in UX > to GTK3, we could look into removing GTK3 from Emacs 29. If we intend to make it Wayland-only, we have to keep the impure GTK3 branch anyway. So all depends on how well pgtk integrates into the existing X installations and whether we want to remove duplicate code. martin