From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: oauth2 support for Emacs email clients Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2021 21:19:34 +0000 Message-ID: References: <52589.36892.953561.24840@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87fsvqqlhj.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25905"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Roland Winkler , Arthur Miller , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eric Abrahamsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 03 23:20:55 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mB1qJ-0006Ve-9d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2021 23:20:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34680 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mB1qI-0000eH-4l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2021 17:20:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49096) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mB1p4-00076r-5J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2021 17:19:38 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:38360) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mB1p2-0001sU-HA; Tue, 03 Aug 2021 17:19:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1628025574; bh=X/m5tu2NdrqSHVHbAk/dzACvdfuPQl6Jt1oOJy9gqKc=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=qikXEb0Kq/HYgSe7cH9p7e9xRrElTkjlOUoEnCAh+NyTsle/66V1DYFV4fppKkSyW +gq36itv0WyTcJMxOxrFqFHLtIKqQr3EbqJovfZSbn6OP7kyoI3L/iVImaatCS2Oah IJHx0e1+XjWlDqjY7VSYibjHkBmKbHlCj2+PxBcUuo7ITJcQAs6yc8eHQu0PBXu+hf +6ClvYwlciikR7lK/EqopscWFTXZ+yJ8zd5W9pVl4ypj/ygLJxMJPdekypNt74G/qh MCTzdTeBbVeGlQ2Xkem8V1hnER/sU0dyfjiB3T33aa5LnZATDiLcC2sufLoR6NdyTO te+krZILAQpJg== In-Reply-To: <87fsvqqlhj.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:272003 Archived-At: >>>> Someone might agree to take the legal risk to violate these TOS. >>>> IANAL, but I observe that no other "small" free software project >>>> (e.g. Mutt or Alpine) took that risk. Two larger free software >>>> projects (Thunderbird and Kmail) took that risk, but their apps were >>>> registered by a legal person, not by a developer. >>> >>> There you have something, isn't FSF a legal person? Is GNU an >>> organisation right? >> >> It is indeed. If the lawyers of the FSF agree to do that, I would (of >> course) have no objection. > > But even so, that would only get us to the same very tenuous legal > position that Thunderbird and Kmail are in now, right? > AFAIU, yes, but again IANAL, and the lawyers of the FSF might have another opinion.