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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282145 Archived-At: On 16.12.2021 10:13, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > From my POV, GCC is a better compiler, by a large measure, for > languages that I use and on platforms that I care about. As a user of > a compiler, I don't care about its architecture, I care about its > features, its usefulness during development, and the code it produces. > And Clang is way behind on these, from my POV. And don't get me > started on other LLVM members, like the debugger. All popular code assistance tools use Clang (code completion, navigation, etc). Even people who will deploy with GCC, if they want completion, have to install Clang. And it's catching up performance-wise. If that doesn't worry you, it should.