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Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::332 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247792 Archived-At: On 25.04.2020 18:35, Drew Adams wrote: >>>> Emacs StackExchange site has around 20'000 registered >>>> users. The Emacs subreddit has almost 40'000 subscribers. >>> >>> ... Have you got any other suggestions of places? >> >> The ones I mentioned are the biggest ones I know. > > Also: > > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/emacs > > https://superuser.com/questions/tagged/emacs Right. But these seem smaller, and I'm not sure we can do any polls on stackexchange/stackoverflow anyway. >> If I do create a poll, and the outcome would strongly indicate a change >> of the default, we'd pretty much have to change it then, though. > > FWIW, I don't agree with that conclusion, in the abstract. If the poll doesn't contain an implicit promise (e.g. "we considering a change of default"), the turnout is likely to be much lower. Which is not what we want, I think.