From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alex Schroeder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Sorting of directories in dired Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 19:56:00 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4825c0f482397d.482397d4825c0f@net.lu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1120819173 24554 80.91.229.2 (8 Jul 2005 10:39:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:39:33 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 08 12:39:28 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DqqFz-0002D3-2g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 12:38:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dqq8z-0002XS-Ld for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 06:31:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DqpmR-0003Id-Ut for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 06:08:24 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DqplG-0002nL-Fq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 06:07:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dqpkn-0001nq-RL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 06:06:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DqplC-0004Ln-6V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 06:07:06 -0400 Original-Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1DqpeM-0005wD-Ss for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 12:00:02 +0200 Original-Received: from 84-73-119-227.dclient.hispeed.ch ([84.73.119.227]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 12:00:02 +0200 Original-Received: from alex by 84-73-119-227.dclient.hispeed.ch with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 12:00:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 26 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 84-73-119-227.dclient.hispeed.ch User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en In-Reply-To: <4825c0f482397d.482397d4825c0f@net.lu.se> X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:40633 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:40633 LENNART BORGMAN schrieb: > Interesting. I can see your point. However do you use w32? Do you not find it disturbing then that the ordering of files are different in Emacs than outside Emacs on w32? > Maybe you never leave Emacs? But for newbies who are used to other apps under w32, would it not be easier for them to adopt to Emacs if the default ordering was the same as for other apps? And those of us (I know now) who can change it, can't we just do that? I use Emacs on OSX, Windows, and Slackware. I would like it to be as similar as possible. That being said, I understand the need to cater for newbies, and I would not mind people adding an option or minor mode (or theme) to give Unix, Windows, OSX, or any other system's defaults -- as long as I can use those defaults on all the systems I use. If we start using the current OS to determine defaults, I will have to find all these variables myself is a slow process of getting used to the new Emacs and customizing it. If instead of using a single variable such as window-system we used another variable such as window-system-preference that defaults to window-system, then I could set one variable to get all the defaults right. custom-themes will not make this job easier, but added functionality that nobody needs makes the coding and testing very tricky. But that's something I said years ago... eg. here: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/7002 Alex. -- http://www.emacswiki.org/alex/