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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -14 X-Spam_score: -1.5 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.248, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255731 Archived-At: On 15.09.2020 07:43, Richard Stallman wrote: > > I see. There is certain elegance in that, but I'd say it's not very > > discoverable. > > It is very prominent in documentation, and C-h w will tell you. It tells me that C-_ is one of the bindings. It doesn't tell me that C-- will map to C-_. https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Undo.html mentions, in a footnote, that C-/ is sometimes mapped to C-_. Which is true for gnome-terminal, but for ttys on my machine. There's no mention of C-- being mapped in the manual.