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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273575 Archived-At: On 31.08.2021 06:09, Richard Stallman wrote: > > Yes, as is now apparent from multiple arguments around the subject, > > appealing to newcomers (and/or trying to adopt contemporary usability > > practices) is of much lesser priority than, say, making sure that each > > key binding that has been with us for a number of years, is left > > unchanged for ever. We hate to risk inconveniencing existing users. > > Please don't bring sarcasm into our discussions. It tends to make the > discussion more acrimonious and make agreement more difficult. > Any point can be made without sarcasm, and it's likely to arouse > less resistance that way. I wasn't really that sarcastic. The above is literally my observations on our decision-making in the area.