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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:294055 Archived-At: On 25.08.2022 04:10, Po Lu wrote: > Dmitry Gutov writes: > >> "decent contrast" is a fairly low bar. > It's an icon, it's supposed to provide visual contrast so that you can > identify what it represents. > > The existing icons do that much better than monocolor ones. Perhaps you meant "more visual detail", then? Because it's hard to beat black-on-white on contrast. I suppose I can also agree that these are a little simplistic. But they keep in one style, and won't give a random new user impression than Emacs hasn't been updated since the 2000s. Might a different icon set work even better? Sure. Alternative proposals are probably welcome too, but see Stefan's full post for caveats.