From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Instead of pcase Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 16:44:57 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87fs15kkk1.fsf@yahoo.com> <874jhi3qx3.fsf@web.de> <83y1etkiuq.fsf@gnu.org> <6f376b44-0d57-0398-b494-a4cfdfa6d38c@gutov.dev> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39319"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.13.0 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Michael Heerdegen , jporterbugs@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 19 15:45:24 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r4j34-0009zK-Vm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 15:45:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r4j2r-00075w-AH; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 09:45:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r4j2m-00075U-Ey for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 09:45:04 -0500 Original-Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.26]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r4j2k-0004Q7-UC; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 09:45:04 -0500 Original-Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB465C0233; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 09:45:01 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 19 Nov 2023 09:45:01 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gutov.dev; h=cc :cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:date :date:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to; s=fm2; t= 1700405101; x=1700491501; bh=U7ALU2QvULQnxDjhzSL54D8grM/pSU2RUE1 6NeZOqao=; b=f8X5NaQchO3V2xHAoLYbI9epwhLBWJ8DkbJaI3mPjVVWgqR498M NUEVnOyTmTFwdqhNGqaqCfowQm+CsZ2O4N8kKOvkl8v/+cLQnbtjR+/BYiLOVnqC CnGhMaGTZqys6Xn8duTYMLtdlaZSVgFWFYMOp47dUMbQd/pNiI+jpVb6pUgg7xig VYLobh1UW/24y5U1TW5MORL+nNy4s7Nl9PpkTUFI7ZB5q6IkhmIOHn8QZa6VbtSf JkeVUwE1OLtfZkxjr64cK3SxYn7LUv0PwQDniY+vhF5+X1++rOYLYxOf0ty0weIF itKLyCk0qIk/uFL3TV1hXKaVkSM5MKBqg1g== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id :from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; t= 1700405101; x=1700491501; bh=U7ALU2QvULQnxDjhzSL54D8grM/pSU2RUE1 6NeZOqao=; b=u0dEd5wxxCeX8butRgY9ZFIzv7ogWPG33XZB7Y/5NJnkXvg/Ir4 bO/+485h8UpGpVJv3fjr+1mbPpvWebwTIpsyZ/tpEJh4CNEZeQCPuPathFe+2spS 1D4EJDASG3yhuEfr1C89iY70Y6qJbzF5LeiLQnDLPyObWTA/0rmDXai0UzVlAfGk Yi3TApEIHS4HpiN++UBfjxTL2deu1oBubYPDSofDYAMKeQWJRp7lPGuCTFbmEejH iC5OTit1jDh+LwMpKLipLJXqnelYpCMO9OLUmojXxRjlg9wLxCQ/9/8k2Pxb6OVB d5bWSGO+sEtKlEcQ8D2f1XrtBGuYJ2+G65w== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvkedrudeggedgieelucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepkfffgggfuffvvehfhfgjtgfgsehtjeertddtfeejnecuhfhrohhmpeffmhhi thhrhicuifhuthhovhcuoegumhhithhrhiesghhuthhovhdruggvvheqnecuggftrfgrth htvghrnhepiefgteevheevveffheeltdeukeeiieekueefgedugfefgefhudelgfefveel vdevnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepug hmihhtrhihsehguhhtohhvrdguvghv X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i0e71465a:Fastmail Original-Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 09:44:58 -0500 (EST) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.111.4.26; envelope-from=dmitry@gutov.dev; helo=out2-smtp.messagingengine.com X-Spam_score_int: -65 X-Spam_score: -6.6 X-Spam_bar: ------ X-Spam_report: (-6.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-3.74, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312986 Archived-At: On 19/11/2023 16:41, Po Lu wrote: > Dmitry Gutov writes: > >> OTOH, enacting a ban on particular abstractions will just about >> guarantee that certain kinds of features will not be implemented. > Not true. Maybe some individuals will be thus disinclined to, but even > that's up for debate. I'm speaking from experience. And it's not an accident that GUI code, for example, is abstraction-heavy pretty much everywhere.