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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312991 Archived-At: On 19/11/2023 16:52, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 16:05:28 +0200 >> Cc:luangruo@yahoo.com,jporterbugs@gmail.com,rms@gnu.org, >> emacs-devel@gnu.org >> From: Dmitry Gutov >> >> On 19/11/2023 14:50, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>>> From: Michael Heerdegen >>>> Cc: Jim Porter,rms@gnu.org,emacs-devel@gnu.org >>>> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:48:08 +0100 >>>> >>>> What I don't like here in this discussion is that some people are not >>>> willing to accept that other people make different experiences with the >>>> same things. >>> This goes both ways, you know. >> The "other side" doesn't create threads with angry comments about the >> developers with opposing views writing lower-level verbose code >> (choo-choo trains, Joao called that), with calls to prohibit such practices. > I meant this very thread. The very previous message, actually. I don't see calls for prohibiting those implementation styles, in the previous messages, or anywhere. It would be impractical anyway. >> OTOH, enacting a ban on particular abstractions will just about >> guarantee that certain kinds of features will not be implemented. > That's a strawman: no one of those who set policies here suggested any > bans. One should be able to post opinions for and against certain > coding styles without being accuse in mortal sins. No one is arguing about whether people are allowed to post opinions. There have been a few calls for working toward dropping pcase or cl-lib from the Emacs core, however.