From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again. 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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.213, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256489 Archived-At: On 26.09.2020 19:51, James Lu wrote: > > Emacs should have a built in support question system, so that every >> user can straight send a support question, and which would be answered >> by using referenced or hyperlinked easy English, and such question >> would be then automatically placed on some website, or integrated >> into Emacs, so next users could then inquire answers in easier and >> easier manner. > > When you're paid to answer boring and repetitive questions, and > you're expected to answer all of them, you have an economic > incentive to create good documentation people want to read > and is easy to find through. And even a personal incentive: nobody likes to answer the same questions again and again. But it would have to be an official GNU initiative. Probably done by the one of the current Emacs maintainers, or some other people who still have the authority to make significant changes in Emacs.