From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: evaluating numbers Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 09:10:02 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: References: <875zjw2emg.fsf@gmx.net> <618B38D9-CD34-4200-8CA1-1A6B0922A83A@traduction-libre.org> <871ruk2d3f.fsf@gmx.net> <3C929D7B-1C10-4713-9EDA-55C80FC36AD8@traduction-libre.org> <835zjvg385.fsf@gnu.org> <83sgmyd6rw.fsf@gnu.org> <835zjucwbz.fsf@gnu.org> <628A3663-BDD3-47C5-B4F4-E260FD900691@traduction-libre.org> <83o8xla50f.fsf@gnu.org> <8336ex9sow.fsf@gnu.org> <4836980E-C425-466C-BB86-5E962C4B3F96@traduction-libre.org> <83zhgy7qxq.fsf@gnu.org> <83lfsi5z1s.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="153334"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.0 Cc: jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Yuri Khan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 14 18:10:25 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iVIdU-000dhv-Gm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 18:10:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60080 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iVIdT-0005HN-9c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 12:10:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54614) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iVIdH-0005Av-Dz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 12:10:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iVIdG-00051K-2x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 12:10:11 -0500 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:33940) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iVIdE-0004xl-Kp; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 12:10:08 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1973116021D; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 09:10:04 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id J0m6WukR6upD; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 09:10:02 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D001605CC; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 09:10:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id ga1h4ooslu6g; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 09:10:02 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 78C0016023B; Thu, 14 Nov 2019 09:10:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83lfsi5z1s.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-US X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242188 Archived-At: On 11/14/19 6:10 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> 232 (#o350, #xe8, LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH GRAVE) >> 1114109 (#o4177775, #x10fffd, ) > I don't think this is less confusing, and I'm not really interested in > opening that old debate again. The train has left the station, so > people who are unhappy with the current defaults should customize the > option we provided back then. Although I agree this topic has been discussed a lot, I wouldn't be so hasty to reject Yuri's suggestion. I don't see how to customize Emacs so that eval-expression outputs a string like "232 (#o350, #xe8, LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH GRAVE)". The behavior that Yuri's suggesting would be more convenient to me than what Emacs currently does, as I often deal with characters where it's more important to know the character's name than what it looks like. I don't see the harm of adding this feature to eval-expression by default, or at least as an option.